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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein with gene and Chris

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Chris is safely back from his voyage to

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the world beyond in Washington DC at the

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National Press Club in fact Chris is

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actually in the other room yeah Hey look

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at that and so what our third show that

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we've done actually in the same location

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mostly the same location you're about 10

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12 feet away yeah give or take a few

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inches and you're assisted by a little

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white Bashan named teddy bear yes teddy

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bear with the cold nose teddy bear with

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the cold nose and our guests I don't

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think has a cold nose

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his name is Peter Davenport and he heads

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up the national UFO Reporting Center

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Peter welcome to the power cast after I

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guess several years yeah well thank you

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very much it's delightful to be here

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looking forward to two hours of talking

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about UFOs there's a lot going on well

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we want to talk about that we want to

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talk about your presentation before the

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Citizen hearing on disclosure but I

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wanted to ask you one thing and this is

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the issue we were discussing the last

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time you were on the show you were in

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the process of acquiring or renovating a

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missile silo that's correct for the

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longest time decades ago I aspired to

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own a missile site an underground ICBM

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missile site and in 2005 an opportunity

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to own one presented itself six months

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later after a lot of negotiation and

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paraphernalia I purchased one and I own

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it and I'm still cleaning the top it's 2

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to 3 million tons of cement it's a big

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project but that's what I own and some

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people collect stamps others collect

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coins

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and I collect the missile site no is it

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a Minuteman site or a nike site no it's

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an atlas II site an atlas I know it's

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the big boys yeah it was built in the

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late 50s early 60s it was commissioned

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in April of 1961 again it was the first

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underground ICBM missile site in the

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u.s. Arsenal site six commanded out of

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Fairchild Air Force Base near Spokane

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and I purchased it in March of 2006 and

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I'm still cleaning it up how many how

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many square feet do you have down there

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about 18,000 Wow

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if the world is gonna hand and I have

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enough time you know where I'm going

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yeah I'm renting out space a square foot

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at a time so at the present rate of

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reconstruction cleaning it out etc how

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long you think it's gonna take you to

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finish this task yeah I project it out

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it'll be the year 23:17 I'll have it

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cleaned and then the construction phase

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will begin

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[Laughter]

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well the way so I mean if this world is

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still here then yeah I'm currently

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working on a project we're almost done I

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on a co-worker who's an engineer been a

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big help to me we're building a gearbox

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actuator for an 80,000 pound door that

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rolls on railroad wheels on a on a track

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that's what I'm up to that's the type of

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thing you do when you're in a missile

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site when the kids come

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trick-or-treating boy it's a real

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shocker when that door opens I'm sure oh

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yeah that's right oh that's gonna be a

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lot of fun yeah trick or treat

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you can come out in the spacesuit or

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something yeah I do

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my alien costume like down in Phoenix

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governor Fife Symington had a member of

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his staff come out in an alien suit

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proving that the Phoenix lights event

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was all a hoax yeah and then he comes

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out 10 years later and says well

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actually oh I saw it too yeah so much

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for public servants huh well this

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particular one of course was tried and

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convicted

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of a crime high crimes misdemeanors

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forced to resign as governor and then

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Clinton pardoned Symington because

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Symington saved his life one time

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apparently this was something where a

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Clinton could have drowned if he wasn't

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saved Symington so therefore therefore

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he earned the pardon yeah my suspicion

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is your assessment or your your

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description of the situation may be

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accurate but I've long wondered whether

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Fife Symington was pardoned by Clinton

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because Fife Symington had played along

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with the game back in 1997 and not

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spilled the beans on the fact that he

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had had one of those huge triangles fly

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over him I recently calculated how big

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one of the Chevron shaped craft was the

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one that flew across the home of sue

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Watson and it was not less than seven

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point for terrestrial statute miles in

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width Wow miles it was a huge huge craft

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could have been as much as 9.6 statute

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miles across to just to put this in

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perspective the alien mother ships in

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the movie Independence Day there were 15

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miles in diameter right I don't know I

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can't address that but they were big

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well you know CGI and you know the save

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money when they made that film they had

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students doing some of the work oh is

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that right

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yeah I remember when that movie

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premiered back I think it was 1997 if

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I'm not mistaken

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well the key about the movie is that

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Jeff Goldblum was able to save the world

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with an Apple PowerBook yeah that

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connected wirelessly to an alien network

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using technology that hadn't been

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invented yet because we didn't use Wi-Fi

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then people forget sometimes life

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imitates art something like that that's

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where we got the idea by the way because

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a couple of years later Apple included

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Airport which was the Wi-Fi connection

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seriously speaking so Peter last week

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you were over at the Citizen hearing

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on disclosure the event sponsored by

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Stephen Bassett at the National Press

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Club now you gave a presentation did you

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have a chance to check out the rest of

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the proceedings oh I was present for

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almost all of the proceedings I think

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except when I had to step out for an

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interview or something along those lines

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I when I arrived there I didn't really

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understand what the format was going to

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be I didn't realize what was going to

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happen we hadn't been really in my

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opinion thoroughly briefed on what was

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going to happen but looking back on the

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event

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I'm roundly impressed by what happened

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there I was roundly impressed by the

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quality of the committee members they

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did a wonderful job of cutting right to

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the heart of the issue for all

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presenters and I was very impressed with

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the quality of the panel members the UFO

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investigators who'd have been invited to

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the event Stephen Bassett is to be

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complimented on the great job he did it

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was really a landmark event and I think

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it's going to sort of break the ice and

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start things rolling perhaps now they've

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been some criticisms that a few of those

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participants were maybe not as properly

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vetted I think you know some of the

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names yeah

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well that's always the case any

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distribution of people any collection or

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group of people you will find

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differences my predisposition by nature

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I think and by my training as a

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scientist is to stick to the facts stick

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to what we know and try my level best

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not to overstep what those facts may say

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other people are more conjectural

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they're reporters they're interested in

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other subjects that are in my opinion

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peripheral to the UFO phenomenon but I

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can't control that I can't address that

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issue that's their preference apparently

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and they were invited by the organizer

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so he presumably knew what their

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predisposition was before he invited

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them I think the problem we had with mr.

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Bassett is that when he was on the power

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cast last and that must be

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2009 or there abouts he basically said

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he didn't care which spotter hear about

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the fact you mean or the vetting of

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people's testimony the latter he didn't

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really care about the vetting and I

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think part of the problem and one of the

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issues here before we get into the thing

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the evidence and the presentation about

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UFOs and everything is the fact that

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people have somewhat wackier points of

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view that's what the press sees is on

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and that sometimes one of the problems

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that you have in trying to get serious

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attention focused on UFO is the fact

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that they don't look for the people who

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have the radar visual sightings and

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trace evidence they look at somebody

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with a wacky theory and that's what

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I'm actually et Peter Davenport joining

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us on the podcast this week he was a

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presenter at the Citizen hearing on

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disclosure having a very gracious

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response to the proceedings so let's

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look at really the highlights of what

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you did there and we'll get into where

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UFO evidence is nowadays and also about

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current cases what's happening now so

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realizing that you're going to be

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presenting before a group of former

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members of Congress obviously you

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assembled what you consider to be your

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best evidence Peter can you give us a

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few ideas of where you went with this

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yeah actually I'll share with our our

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listeners fact that is not known I had

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written out a three-page statement that

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I was prepared to make and one of the

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organizers who had read it said he

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didn't think it was quite appropriate so

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and I actually agree with the assessment

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again going back to an earlier statement

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I made during the program I didn't know

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what the format was going to be so very

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very soon before I was scheduled to

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testify before the the committee

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I had to cobble together an alternative

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presentation and what I decided to do

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was just talk about some of the more

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dramatic cases

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dramatic and well-qualified or are well

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documented cases rather that have come

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to the national UFO Reporting Center

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over the last 19 years my presentation

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was extemporaneous after I read a short

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paragraph at the beginning what I did

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was just sure

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with the committee some of the really

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really interesting material that has

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come to the UFO Center since 1994 when I

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became its second director that's what I

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did my evening presentation just over a

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week ago eight days ago was a much more

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informal presentation of some of those

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cases that I addressed during my

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testimony and that was streamed live

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over the Internet to those people who

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subscribed to the event and apparently

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certainly the latter was very well

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received people have no idea how far we

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can take back the UFO phenomenon going

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back

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it appears possibly if cave paintings

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are have any relationship to the UFO

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phenomenon they appear to on the face of

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them we can take back the UFO phenomenon

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as far as maybe twelve thousand years if

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we can take it back twelve thousand

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years the question remains whether we

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can take it back twelve million years or

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perhaps billions of years that in a

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nutshell is what I presented what I did

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and the reaction that I had from some of

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the viewers the people who talked to you

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the questioners the former members of

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Congress what sort of issues were they

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focusing on well I think they were

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looking for evidence and that's part of

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the reason I presented before them the

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way I did presenting just hard hard ball

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cases cases that involved radar tracings

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cases that involve multiple witnesses

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some of the criteria I applied my

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evening presentation these are cases

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that had multiple witnesses some some

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kind of hard evidence indicating that a

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real and dramatic event had occurred I

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talked about one of the cases I cited

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during my testimony and I alluded to I

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think during my evening presentation was

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a case that occurred over Providence

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Rhode Island on the 22nd of June near

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2000 an airline pilot flying a

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single-engine turboprop from

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and tuck an island up to New Hampshire

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ran into some heavy thunderstorms over

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Boston and he's in attempt to avoid them

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he skirted out east of Providence Rhode

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Island and was west of Providence he was

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going to go west of Boston to get around

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the heavy weather as he was flying over

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Providence right over the shoreline

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he saw a dark object ahead of his

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aircraft in the West close to where the

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Sun had just set with about 9:20 or 9:30

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at night and our listeners can go to our

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website and read the actual statement by

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the pilot in very short order he

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realized where as he first thought it

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was a soaring bird he realized that the

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object was actually approaching his

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aircraft at extremely high speed and he

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was mortified to see that it was almost

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on a collision course with his airplane

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it missed his airplane by he estimated

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50 feet it went right under his

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starboard wing his right hand wing he

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got on the radio to the air traffic

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control service or Center and asked them

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if they had anything on radar at first

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they said no we don't have anything we

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don't see anything a few seconds later

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they called him back and said now we

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have it and it has reversed its course

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and it is tracking your airplane so

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that's the type of case I like to talk

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about because you have a good witness

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you have multiple witnesses you have

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radar tracing it was a very very good

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case that's part of the reason I

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included it in my brief presentation

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Wednesday morning yeah that's that's

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pretty riveting stuff white shirt

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freaked me out if I was a pilot and all

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of a sudden 54 you know something goes

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flying by just mere feet from my my

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plane yeah I've talked to that pilot

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probably on half a dozen occasions he

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didn't give a description of it was he

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able to really ascertain shape or actual

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size he estimates he was within 50 feet

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of that object which gives a person even

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though it was streaking by his airplane

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he had perhaps a short period of time to

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get a good eyeball on it and see what it

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looked like he said

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that it was the shape of an egg with the

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I think the sharp nose pointed forward

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it had no windows it had no cockpit

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it had no engine the cells it had no

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maneuvering control surfaces on it that

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he could see it was the color of a

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charcoal briquette it was dull black

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well and about the size of an American

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sedan so relatively small not a big

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craft at all and again people can go to

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our website UFO center.com and look at

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that case again for June 27th June 22nd

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of the year 2000 and read the pilots

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report it's a very very well composed

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and well written report it shares the

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details with anybody who cares to read

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it and that's not not atypical by any

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means of the many many reports that we

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have received over the last 19 years

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from pilots astronomers police officers

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emergency responders all sorts of

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professional people trained observers

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you would think who've been witness to

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strange objects and that's what the

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national UFO Reporting Center does we

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wear many hats whenever you deal with

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the public you have to do many many

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things of course but fundamentally we do

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think two things we provide people with

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a place to record their data and report

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it and we also make it available to the

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public as quickly as we can so that

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people may know may have access to the

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truth and information that their

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government should be providing them with

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but is not we have Peter Davenport of

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the national UFO Reporting Center

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joining Jean and Chris you're in the

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we're in and out of our house in about

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five minutes the police arrived in about

549
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20 minutes but they were long gone with

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our TV jewelry and my guns

551
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I kept thinking what if my family had

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been home the police officers said that

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more than 85% of break-ins are through a

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door and that deadbolts alone don't stop

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intruders the officer told me to go to

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ez armor costs and I installed ez armor

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getting better

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

596
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in to the para cast let me tell you what

597
00:27:12,580 --> 00:27:09,050
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

598
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:12,590
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

599
00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:16,130
that George snoring send my live on the

600
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,440
scene Gina and Chris in almost the same

601
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,960
studio talking to Peter Davenport as we

602
00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:23,360
continue he's discussing some of the key

603
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:25,940
cases he brought before the Citizen

604
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:28,370
hearing on disclosure now I guess the

605
00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:31,310
key issue people ask them I want to know

606
00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:34,070
more about the cases that you brought

607
00:27:38,860 --> 00:27:36,800
together here is how much do you think

608
00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:38,870
the government really knows about all

609
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:40,760
this because the purpose of a request

610
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,470
for disclosure is the assumption that

611
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they have something substantial to

612
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,900
disclose it is clear to me from my

613
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:49,760
vantage point that the government must

614
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:53,090
know about the UFO phenomenon it

615
00:28:00,010 --> 00:27:57,410
launches me in to a subject which in my

616
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:00,020
opinion is my greatest contribution to

617
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:03,560
the UFO community and to explanation of

618
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:06,350
what the UFO phenomenon is and that has

619
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:08,810
to do with a paper I wrote on the use of

620
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:12,080
passive radar for detecting UFOs what we

621
00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:15,290
need to do in my opinion is break the

622
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:18,560
chain of eyewitness accounts eyewitness

623
00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:20,510
accounts in many cases are very

624
00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:23,480
convincing very interesting but they

625
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:26,390
nevertheless are hearsay evidence what I

626
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:28,550
would like to do is be able to show

627
00:28:35,050 --> 00:28:32,360
objectively and factually that there are

628
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:35,060
these strange objects that have flight

629
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characteristics that defy explanation in

630
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:41,720
terms of terrestrial limitations on

631
00:28:47,170 --> 00:28:45,110
aerodynamic devices and that is my paper

632
00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:47,180
that I wrote on the use of passive radar

633
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:50,840
for detecting UFOs passive radar is

634
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:54,290
using the transmitted signals of

635
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:56,330
commercial radio and television stations

636
00:29:02,620 --> 00:28:58,690
which under ordinary circumstances

637
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:02,630
radiate out into space forever once the

638
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:05,210
photons the electromagnetic radiation

639
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:07,700
starts radiating out into space it

640
00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:12,110
continues essentially forever unless

641
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:13,820
there is something that

642
00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:16,490
reflect those radio waves back down to

643
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:18,920
earth which allows us to detect the

644
00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:22,450
target I wrote a paper on the subject of

645
00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:25,070
using those commercial radio and

646
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:28,180
television signals for detecting

647
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:29,900
anomalous targets

648
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:32,150
well I mention all of this because the

649
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:33,830
US government has been doing exactly

650
00:29:39,550 --> 00:29:37,580
that with a facility that stretches

651
00:29:42,550 --> 00:29:39,560
across the southern tier of the United

652
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:42,560
States it's referred to as the fence it

653
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:45,250
is the u.s. naval space surveillance

654
00:29:50,770 --> 00:29:48,380
system that stretches from San Diego to

655
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:50,780
the state of Georgia where its command

656
00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:53,210
headquarters I believe are located for

657
00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:57,080
now almost probably more than half a

658
00:30:03,340 --> 00:30:00,500
century since the late 1950s the US Navy

659
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:03,350
has maintained this facility for

660
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,200
tracking satellites and in fact all

661
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:09,440
orbiting objects in the near-earth

662
00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:12,590
environment up to probably 500 or a

663
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:14,660
thousand miles above the surface of the

664
00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:18,410
planet are we to believe that the US

665
00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:21,620
Navy has never detected an anomalous

666
00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:25,430
target if UFOs are real and if they

667
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:28,790
reflect radio my radio signals the US

668
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:33,260
Navy must be awash in anomalous target

669
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:36,610
reports they must be getting signals

670
00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:39,590
reflected from objects for which the

671
00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:41,420
Navy would have no explanation they

672
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,950
can't be aircraft they can't be

673
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:45,760
migratory birds they can't be satellites

674
00:30:52,090 --> 00:30:48,710
presumably either hovering at very low

675
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:52,100
altitude or very low speeds or traveling

676
00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:53,540
at very high speeds

677
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:56,180
altogether incompatible with those other

678
00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:58,190
terrestrial objects I alluded to a

679
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:00,710
moment ago so the US Navy and the US

680
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:03,710
government must have known about UFOs

681
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:07,190
for at least 60 years that's my

682
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:09,650
assessment and I'd totally agree with

683
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:12,170
that and it's interesting that someone

684
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:14,930
like a Colonel John Alexander would

685
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:17,090
write a book on the subject of UFOs and

686
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:19,150
talk about putting together this really

687
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,010
high-powered team of insiders and then

688
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:24,320
you know going to the government and

689
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:26,040
trying to find out who knows what

690
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:27,270
you know where this is compartmentalized

691
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:30,690
and then you look through his book and

692
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,620
you never see the NSA mentioned you

693
00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:36,600
would think that that would be one of

694
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:38,280
the first places that he would inquire

695
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:41,340
some sort of sourcing at the NSA because

696
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:44,070
of course they monitor our airspace and

697
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,720
communications and money out new slow

698
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:47,760
there was a story I came out the other

699
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:51,780
day about the government is able to get

700
00:31:57,770 --> 00:31:54,600
a hold of information on over a billion

701
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,780
and a half personal communications every

702
00:32:03,380 --> 00:31:59,700
single day such as emails and everything

703
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:03,390
else yeah that's the NSA facility that

704
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:05,430
is just about to open in the state of

705
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:08,730
Utah I argue that the government does

706
00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:10,770
not have the authority to do that

707
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:13,680
the federal government doesn't but it's

708
00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:15,930
going to take it's going to take some

709
00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:18,630
very serious public pressure to get that

710
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:22,790
facility shut down they are designed to

711
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:25,920
intercept up to eight terabytes of

712
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:29,660
information per second as usually all

713
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:33,420
electronic communications cameras well

714
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:34,860
the question I have is whether they are

715
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:36,860
monitoring this one we're doing this

716
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:40,770
through Skype absolutely that is being

717
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:43,770
recorded as we speak by the NSA facility

718
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:46,710
in Utah would that make it easier for me

719
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:48,450
to edit it I just call them up and say

720
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:50,250
could you give me your copy maybe it

721
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,430
sounds better than mine yeah maybe you

722
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:55,260
can have them edit it for you and send

723
00:32:59,960 --> 00:32:58,050
it back to your ready to go get some of

724
00:33:03,140 --> 00:32:59,970
your tax dollars back well they've got

725
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:03,150
us on stress monitoring and analysis

726
00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:06,510
equipment there they've got it totally

727
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:09,660
screwed down tight I'm sure oh yes I

728
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:10,710
agree

729
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,460
yep even if they've tracked UFOs and

730
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:16,080
they have all the sightings do you think

731
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:18,870
they have a clue as to what is actually

732
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:21,270
behind the mystery well I think at least

733
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,130
to the degree that they can show to

734
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:25,440
their own satisfaction that these

735
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:28,940
objects are not aircraft they are not

736
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:31,230
satellites they're not crash dummies

737
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,730
they're not swamp gas they're not

738
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:35,100
plastic bags blowing in the wind

739
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:37,810
so they must know

740
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:39,490
or suspect that they're dealing with

741
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:42,550
something of extraordinary nature that

742
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:44,350
could not have come from this planet

743
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:47,290
whether they've had sit-down meetings

744
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:49,060
with the presumed occupants of these

745
00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:52,870
craft I have no idea but Isis trought I

746
00:34:00,360 --> 00:33:57,430
strongly suspect that they have it would

747
00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:00,370
be an obvious next step they could not

748
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:03,460
afford to allow these creatures to

749
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:07,000
amalgamate or to associate with other

750
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:09,300
nations the governments of other nations

751
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,760
because that would risk tipping the

752
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:15,280
defense balance in favor of another

753
00:34:19,590 --> 00:34:17,350
nation we couldn't allow that to happen

754
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:19,600
so clearly it is something that our

755
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:22,270
government would want to do it would be

756
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:24,610
fraught with peril you never know what

757
00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:26,740
being an outcome or offshoot of a

758
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:29,020
meeting like that might be but they

759
00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:32,050
would certainly have to do it how long

760
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:34,660
they've been having these communications

761
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:36,520
this was an issue that was addressed at

762
00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:40,000
the citizens hearing last week there are

763
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:42,900
claims that the US government has has

764
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:47,290
alien creatures available to it whether

765
00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:49,450
incarcerated how they keep them I don't

766
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:53,980
know it's not something I'd want to do

767
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:56,800
given their technological sophistication

768
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:00,240
if they can travel between stars and

769
00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:02,530
cover the distance that they no doubt

770
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:05,740
have come to arrive at the planet Earth

771
00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:09,160
I don't think I'd want to be in a

772
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,220
position of forcing their hand one way

773
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:15,520
or another I'd be on my best behavior I

774
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:17,590
think well you also think that would

775
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:19,030
make it almost impossible for them to

776
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:22,900
capture a craft let alone a creature yes

777
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:25,690
unless the craft had crashed leaving the

778
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:27,910
creature without a means of conveyance

779
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:31,030
off this planet yeah I have a problem

780
00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:32,350
though with the whole idea of UFO

781
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:34,900
crashes I mean if they're so exalted and

782
00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:37,030
with their technology and their you know

783
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,860
hundreds thousands maybe millions of

784
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:40,720
years ahead of us don't you think they

785
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,130
would have figured out the bugs and the

786
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:44,680
in their hardware and they would

787
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:48,640
wouldn't crash could be but there's also

788
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:51,790
the possibility that there

789
00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:53,710
could be competition between different

790
00:35:59,070 --> 00:35:56,980
strains of creatures and if there's

791
00:36:01,940 --> 00:35:59,080
competition there would be the

792
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:01,950
likelihood of conflict and then you have

793
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:05,830
creatures with equal degrees equal

794
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:08,830
measures of technology fighting one

795
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:12,100
another in fact sounds like the Romulans

796
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:13,960
and the Klingons exactly

797
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:15,850
well Peter in your data base how many

798
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:18,250
reports do you have of UFOs in apparent

799
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:20,770
conflict with one another at least two

800
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:22,630
you know what I'm going to ask you that

801
00:36:27,090 --> 00:36:24,790
question as soon as we get back from the

802
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:27,100
break okay Peter folks you can find so

803
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:28,690
much more of the things that we do if

804
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you go to our site the power cast calm

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we have Peter Davenport joining us this

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podcast with gene and chris on the power

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00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,809
cast we have Peter Davenport of a

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00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:16,240
national UFO Reporting Center and he

913
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:19,180
says on record you have information

914
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:22,420
about two UFOs that we're having at each

915
00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:25,599
other didn't get along well I can't say

916
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:29,079
that what I have is at least two cases

917
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:34,089
in which it appears that a craft a

918
00:41:38,819 --> 00:41:36,460
sophisticated craft let's call it a UFO

919
00:41:41,309 --> 00:41:38,829
for the purposes of this program and I

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00:41:45,089 --> 00:41:41,319
think that's a fair assessment on the

921
00:41:48,359 --> 00:41:45,099
evening of the 7th of January 1995 a

922
00:41:50,819 --> 00:41:48,369
very very unusual event occurred over

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00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:50,829
the city of McMinnville Tennessee one

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00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:55,540
County Tennessee that night people from

925
00:42:04,220 --> 00:41:59,950
all over the area allegedly were witness

926
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,230
to a fleet of craft a collection of

927
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:06,839
objects that were descending vertically

928
00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:09,849
over the airport of McMinnville again

929
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:11,619
this is in the state of Tennessee

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00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:15,089
suddenly an immense explosion took place

931
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:19,390
huge fragments reportedly blue in color

932
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:22,520
were thrown up high into the sky

933
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:25,670
and they cascaded down onto the

934
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:28,820
surrounding area I presented this case

935
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:31,570
in some detail but the citizens hearing

936
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:35,300
part of my evidence I presented was a

937
00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:37,850
handwritten detailed five page

938
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:41,600
assessment by a deputy sheriff of Warren

939
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:44,090
County sheriff's office of what was

940
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,930
reported to him by the citizens who had

941
00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:50,000
been witnessed to the event that was the

942
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:52,820
first one a very very interesting case

943
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:57,200
that went totally uninvestigated Wow you

944
00:43:01,000 --> 00:42:58,490
would think that somebody would find

945
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:01,010
debris and we'd have some physical

946
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:03,230
evidence to examine oh it's interesting

947
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:07,220
I had a young fellow who was a student

948
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:09,020
up in Kentucky who heard me talking

949
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:10,700
about this case shortly after it had

950
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:13,400
occurred and he decided to go down and

951
00:43:18,070 --> 00:43:16,010
investigate it he was a student studying

952
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:18,080
to become a private investigator he

953
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:20,230
decided this would be a good case to

954
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:23,330
sort of cut his teeth on if you will a

955
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:26,660
good case to try his skills as an

956
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:29,270
investigator on so he went down there he

957
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:32,210
talked to actual witnesses and reported

958
00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:35,770
to me that people who lived in the area

959
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:39,109
about 90 minutes after the event had

960
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:42,440
occurred were awakened by knocks on

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their front door by people who claimed

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to be with the quote quote government

963
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:50,570
who were requesting permission to go on

964
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:53,030
the property of these people looking for

965
00:43:59,050 --> 00:43:56,420
fragments of the explosion the the

966
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people from the government did not

967
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:01,010
identify what branch of the government

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they were from they did not say beyond

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the fact that they were looking for

970
00:44:12,340 --> 00:44:09,080
fragments of an exploded aircraft they

971
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:12,350
did not go into any detail at all a very

972
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:15,290
very good case and I wish I'd been

973
00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:18,410
closer to McMinnville Tennessee to be

974
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:22,280
able to investigate it myself that was

975
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:25,820
not not possible unfortunately the

976
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:28,490
second case is equally interesting and

977
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:30,380
it's one that occurred over the state of

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New Mexico on Sunday night the 15th of

979
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:36,349
August 1999 at 11:18 p.m.

980
00:44:42,789 --> 00:44:40,249
a an immense flash occurred that was

981
00:44:46,779 --> 00:44:42,799
reported from as far north as Montana as

982
00:44:51,460 --> 00:44:46,789
far south as into Mexico and it was a

983
00:44:53,229 --> 00:44:51,470
flash that occurred in fact we I had

984
00:44:55,479 --> 00:44:53,239
hoped to show the video during my

985
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,489
presentation time ran out I was not able

986
00:45:02,319 --> 00:44:58,160
to do so but it was a flash that

987
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:02,329
occurred at a location about 60 or 80

988
00:45:08,259 --> 00:45:06,049
miles west of Albuquerque where at least

989
00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:08,269
three objects were reported by

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00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:10,460
eyewitnesses on the ground to be

991
00:45:15,819 --> 00:45:13,130
converging they were their flight paths

992
00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:15,829
their ground track over the ground in

993
00:45:22,779 --> 00:45:20,180
New Mexico appears to us upon analysis

994
00:45:26,049 --> 00:45:22,789
of their reports the flash occurred

995
00:45:30,099 --> 00:45:26,059
where these objects were converging it's

996
00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:30,109
a in immense ly interesting case and

997
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:34,869
I've talked about it now for 14 years in

998
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:37,910
presentation and interestingly I've

999
00:45:42,999 --> 00:45:40,430
gotten virtually no traction in the UFO

1000
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,009
community I have the video from the

1001
00:45:48,339 --> 00:45:45,200
Sandia National Laboratory sky camera

1002
00:45:51,969 --> 00:45:48,349
that recorded it Wow and I have

1003
00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:51,979
friendlies people who support my work in

1004
00:45:57,339 --> 00:45:55,069
Sandia corporation who sent me some very

1005
00:46:00,759 --> 00:45:57,349
very interesting video that was captured

1006
00:46:02,799 --> 00:46:00,769
by the sky camera okay can you post this

1007
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:02,809
somewhere or is this posted somewhere so

1008
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:04,910
we can all see it it's been on my web

1009
00:46:10,779 --> 00:46:06,680
site for 14 years

1010
00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:10,789
ah the link may have expired but we'll

1011
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:13,880
try to renew it but all of the dozens

1012
00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:16,670
and dozens of reports are posted to our

1013
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:19,670
website again for Sunday night the 15th

1014
00:46:25,209 --> 00:46:22,609
of August 1999 people can go and just

1015
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:25,219
read what I seem to remember getting a

1016
00:46:30,339 --> 00:46:26,930
couple calls on that particular event

1017
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:30,349
myself I'd have to go through my

1018
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,180
database to double-check on that but I

1019
00:46:36,430 --> 00:46:33,920
do seem to recall something happened in

1020
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:36,440
August 99 things have been pretty quiet

1021
00:46:41,499 --> 00:46:37,940
around there and this kind of came out

1022
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:41,509
of the blue yep it was a fascinating

1023
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,049
case I had the video shortly after the

1024
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:48,319
event had occurred and interestingly the

1025
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:49,970
most interesting part of it for me

1026
00:46:55,089 --> 00:46:52,070
was the reaction of Sandia National

1027
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:55,099
Laboratories they said they did an

1028
00:47:02,800 --> 00:46:59,680
article the Sandia National Laboratories

1029
00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:02,810
newspaper in-house newspaper did an

1030
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:04,869
article and they claimed that it was a

1031
00:47:09,940 --> 00:47:08,570
it was a meteor nothing could be further

1032
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:09,950
from the truth

1033
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:11,990
if people look at the reports on our

1034
00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:14,570
website they will see that there were

1035
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:18,140
several objects that were in the skies

1036
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:21,050
above New Mexico just an instant before

1037
00:47:27,339 --> 00:47:24,290
the explosion occurred and interestingly

1038
00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:27,349
and Sandia had no explanation for this

1039
00:47:33,790 --> 00:47:30,320
fact that I'm about to share there was a

1040
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:33,800
second flash that occurred immensely

1041
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:37,040
bright flash that was seen from hundreds

1042
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:40,760
possibly thousands of miles away 21

1043
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:43,130
minutes after the first one Sandia

1044
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:45,880
didn't even address the second flash

1045
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:49,369
very strange event you would think

1046
00:47:54,609 --> 00:47:51,500
there'd be some sort of sonic boom or

1047
00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:54,619
some some sort of audio thing would

1048
00:47:58,810 --> 00:47:56,780
would be also reported if it was some

1049
00:48:02,980 --> 00:47:58,820
sort of bullet a celestial object like

1050
00:48:05,859 --> 00:48:02,990
that absolutely a bolide that is so

1051
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:05,869
bright that it can be seen for thousands

1052
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:09,470
of miles and let's say let's limit it to

1053
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:12,380
hundreds just to be conservative it was

1054
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:14,900
seen as far north as Montana certainly

1055
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,050
Wyoming and it was seen from all over

1056
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:20,960
the northwest or the southwestern United

1057
00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:24,800
States a bolide or a meteor that is that

1058
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:28,070
bright would certainly as you point out

1059
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:31,730
Chris would certainly have created an

1060
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:34,760
audible sound now Shelley the meteor

1061
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:37,130
over Chelyabinsk on the 15th of February

1062
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:39,290
this year is a casing pointed blue

1063
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:41,420
windows out yeah now people were all

1064
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:44,330
right flying glass with a flash that

1065
00:48:50,980 --> 00:48:48,130
immense not have generated an audible

1066
00:48:53,710 --> 00:48:50,990
report yeah and these types of reports

1067
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:53,720
are very unusual too you don't see them

1068
00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:56,930
that often but I remember back in the

1069
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,650
this would have probably been 94 95 I

1070
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:03,200
had witnesses on i-70

1071
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:05,990
the Glenwood Springs area report the

1072
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:09,050
whole Canyon you know late at night the

1073
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,550
whole Canyon just being lit brighter

1074
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:13,040
than daylight for for just an instant

1075
00:49:18,490 --> 00:49:15,530
and then and then boom it was pitch

1076
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:18,500
black again in the canyon and nobody

1077
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,420
heard anything nobody reported seeing

1078
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:22,400
any sort of objects it was just all of a

1079
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:24,710
sudden like it turned brighter than day

1080
00:49:31,569 --> 00:49:28,000
for an instant and then it was gone I

1081
00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:31,579
have cases like that too in fact one of

1082
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:34,220
the cases I presented at the citizens

1083
00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:36,410
hearing during my evening hour-long

1084
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:40,780
presentation was a case that occurred in

1085
00:49:47,859 --> 00:49:44,270
Ontario Canada over Lake Erie and I'm

1086
00:49:50,650 --> 00:49:47,869
over the western end of Pennsylvania an

1087
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:50,660
object that streaked from north to south

1088
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:53,750
and suddenly stopped just south of the

1089
00:49:58,750 --> 00:49:56,450
Pennsylvania Turnpike and hovered and it

1090
00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:58,760
was strobing so black brightly according

1091
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,310
to one witness on the Pennsylvania

1092
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,400
Turnpike that it illuminated the entire

1093
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:07,760
valley that he was in Wow brighter than

1094
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:11,390
daylight so these cases are occurring

1095
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,930
with some frequency considerable

1096
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:16,880
frequency and they're posted to our

1097
00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:19,970
website at UFO Center calm listen let me

1098
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:22,220
just ask you a favor here that UFO

1099
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:25,700
camera photos that you mentioned briefly

1100
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:27,470
a moment ago is that something you can

1101
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:29,450
maybe look up in the next few days and

1102
00:50:34,359 --> 00:50:31,730
give us a direct link to post on the

1103
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,369
site or in our forums I think we have to

1104
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:37,280
refresh the link but the problem is and

1105
00:50:44,370 --> 00:50:40,790
the reason we let that link lapse if it

1106
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:44,380
was on our site for many many years and

1107
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:49,250
it is an immense video file so when

1108
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:52,700
people access it they download gigabytes

1109
00:51:00,220 --> 00:50:56,810
of material and if they access at two or

1110
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:00,230
three times it in dramatically increases

1111
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,329
the amount of data that is downloaded

1112
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:04,640
from our site and we have to pay for

1113
00:51:11,710 --> 00:51:07,700
that well we have the ability here to

1114
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:11,720
send quite a lot of data every month at

1115
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:14,390
our server we could if you want mirror

1116
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:16,310
something like this and just see what

1117
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:16,910
kind of trap

1118
00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:18,830
it brings and if it reaches a point

1119
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,870
where it's a problem we can always

1120
00:51:24,250 --> 00:51:22,640
withhold it but we do have the

1121
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,260
capability let's talk about that later

1122
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:26,720
though Peter Davenport joining gene and

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that's GC & live.com hi this is Ted

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Anderson have you ever wondered why

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

1177
00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:12,760
here's Jane Steinberg these sightings

1178
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,680
are the kind of sightings that you have

1179
00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:17,440
to say every one of them sounds like The

1180
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:19,780
Smoking Gun that something strange is

1181
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:20,890
going on doesn't matter whether you

1182
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:23,500
think UFOs are spaceships and your

1183
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:26,050
dimensional time travelers whatever this

1184
00:54:29,609 --> 00:54:27,910
is stuff that we really have to look at

1185
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:29,619
with Peter Davenport of the national UFO

1186
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:31,780
Reporting Center with Jean and Chris and

1187
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,250
the power cast and we're discussing the

1188
00:54:39,150 --> 00:54:35,760
things that Peter presented during his

1189
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:39,160
delivery and interrogation over there

1190
00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:41,290
at the National Press Club at the

1191
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:43,600
Citizen hearing on disclosure now during

1192
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:45,970
your session was the questioning tough

1193
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:47,470
at all I'm just pretty straightforward

1194
00:54:50,849 --> 00:54:49,330
pretty straightforward the members

1195
00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:50,859
former members of Congress

1196
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:52,780
I felt did an excellent job as I've

1197
00:54:57,540 --> 00:54:55,570
mentioned earlier in this program they

1198
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:57,550
were interested in getting to the heart

1199
00:55:02,580 --> 00:54:59,650
of the matter these are people who spent

1200
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:02,590
years and decades in Congress conducting

1201
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:05,920
hearings and so they have an advanced or

1202
00:55:10,590 --> 00:55:08,470
enhanced ability to get to the heart of

1203
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:10,600
the matter very quickly to conserve time

1204
00:55:14,609 --> 00:55:12,580
yeah and they got tougher and tougher as

1205
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:14,619
a week went on too I noticed they they

1206
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:17,430
got a little a little bit more

1207
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:19,390
thin-skinned and a little bit more

1208
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:22,060
brittle I think as the as the week were

1209
00:55:26,010 --> 00:55:24,850
on and they really started really

1210
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:26,020
cutting to the chase

1211
00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:29,050
Kevin Randall was a little miffed I

1212
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:30,760
think at at one point I think he's

1213
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:32,910
written something on his blog that

1214
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:35,410
stated that he answered the same

1215
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:37,570
question three times and was asked three

1216
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:39,609
different ways and he got a little

1217
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:41,170
frustrated by that kind of threw himself

1218
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:43,570
back in his chair at one point but

1219
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:47,500
that's Kevin I did see Kevin testify I

1220
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:49,900
didn't know those three separate

1221
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,390
questions but yeah the members of the

1222
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:53,680
panel I think they were getting

1223
00:56:00,690 --> 00:55:58,000
exhausted five days of testimony six to

1224
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:00,700
eight hours a day is a lot of work yeah

1225
00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:02,350
and they did a great job I couldn't even

1226
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:04,660
sit in the chair and read for that

1227
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:05,530
amount of time

1228
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:08,260
much less having to pay attention to

1229
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:10,630
what other long-winded people are having

1230
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:13,840
to say about Terry you want to care to

1231
00:56:18,810 --> 00:56:15,730
mention any names of these long-winded

1232
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:18,820
presenters so like I think I was

1233
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:21,520
probably one of the worst offenders that

1234
00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:23,830
the members of the committee had a rough

1235
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:26,440
rough job to pay attention and to stay

1236
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:29,380
awake for five days for that many hours

1237
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:31,900
per day that's a tough job by my measure

1238
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:35,530
so I can see why they'd be a little

1239
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:37,390
anxious to get right to the heart of the

1240
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:41,130
matter and dispose of people who were

1241
00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:43,750
being long-winded and not they were

1242
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:45,580
rambling and not getting to the point

1243
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:47,590
quickly well obviously if you're an

1244
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:49,570
attorney and a lot of these former

1245
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:51,490
members of Congress might just be

1246
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:54,370
they're used to asking a question two or

1247
00:56:59,310 --> 00:56:56,530
three different ways just to see whether

1248
00:57:01,890 --> 00:56:59,320
there are any differences or variations

1249
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,900
in the testimony sure good point I think

1250
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:04,960
I have no complaints about the manner in

1251
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:07,450
which the committee members conducted

1252
00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:09,370
their hearings I thought they did an

1253
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:11,320
excellent job really getting to the

1254
00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:14,590
point very quickly and trying to get the

1255
00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:20,950
witnesses to be efficient and use their

1256
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:22,270
time wisely yeah

1257
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:24,070
yeah and I think they've come off pretty

1258
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:27,850
well in the media he has a you know in

1259
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:29,710
the aftermath of the hearings I I think

1260
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:32,110
initially there was some you know poking

1261
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:33,880
at them because of the fact that they're

1262
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:36,220
being paid twenty thousand to do this

1263
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,590
which as they pointed out is really not

1264
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,000
that much when you consider the amount

1265
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:42,640
of of work that it took to at least be

1266
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:45,910
semi prepared going in and the fact that

1267
00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:48,910
they had to like you say sit there for

1268
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:51,550
you know 4050 hours and deal with the

1269
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:54,040
media and deal with you know the the

1270
00:57:59,700 --> 00:57:56,620
more social obligations that they would

1271
00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:59,710
have from from participants and people

1272
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:01,480
that were there I saw them being pulled

1273
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:03,610
every which way during the breaks and

1274
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:06,730
and afterwards and I I do think they did

1275
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:07,750
a good job and I think the media

1276
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:11,350
recognized that those writers and and

1277
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:13,030
reporters who were there and saw how

1278
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:14,550
they handled it I think

1279
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:16,650
we're impressed I was I thought they did

1280
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:19,590
a good job I think one of the trying to

1281
00:58:24,490 --> 00:58:21,330
remember the name of the woman I think

1282
00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:24,500
Bartlett she seemed to be a little slow

1283
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:26,820
is she was kind of the weak link in the

1284
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,530
chain I think the other members were a

1285
00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:31,200
lot more you know finely honed in terms

1286
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:33,150
of of their knowledge and their approach

1287
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,850
Bartlett was the gentleman from I think

1288
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,680
from Maryland yeah I'm trying to

1289
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:38,880
remember who she was it was the lady

1290
00:58:42,350 --> 00:58:40,470
with the short hair in the glasses she

1291
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:42,360
seemed to be this kind of the slow one

1292
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:43,050
of the bunch

1293
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:46,110
former congresswoman Woolsey Woolsey

1294
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:48,690
that's a galaxy California San Francisco

1295
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:51,050
there was a former Congresswoman

1296
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,810
Kilpatrick she was really sharp yeah and

1297
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:56,400
she didn't put up with anything either

1298
00:59:01,280 --> 00:58:58,410
why she would you know kind of chide

1299
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,290
people if if they weren't answering her

1300
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:03,180
question properly she'd stop him and say

1301
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:04,260
that's not what I asked you

1302
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:06,570
I I asked this and she got a little

1303
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:07,830
Brook there towards the end the last

1304
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:11,400
couple days and really she did cut to

1305
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:12,900
the chase I think better than any of

1306
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:13,260
them

1307
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:17,370
also uh who was the scientist the

1308
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,700
chemical engineer was not gravel but

1309
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:23,040
kind of member who that was he was very

1310
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:28,020
good too oh I believe so yeah you know

1311
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:30,570
Bartlett I think it was yeah he was the

1312
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:32,610
the the the I think the oldest of the

1313
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:35,610
bunch and Aaron he really I mean being a

1314
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:37,080
former you know I think chemical

1315
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:40,530
engineer if I'm not mistaken he listened

1316
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:43,650
to some of the more scientific jargon

1317
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:45,890
that was put out by Steven Greer and uh

1318
00:59:50,570 --> 00:59:48,960
in Tom Malone at one point he was kind

1319
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:50,580
of scratching his head I could see

1320
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:52,530
everything I don't know about that you

1321
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:53,910
know this all sounds great if you don't

1322
00:59:58,510 --> 00:59:56,760
know science but I I don't think he was

1323
01:00:00,580 --> 00:59:58,520
very impressed with that portion of the

1324
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:00,590
technology panel

1325
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:03,470
congressman Bartlett I think that was I

1326
01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:07,290
did a wonderful job he his questions

1327
01:00:12,110 --> 01:00:09,300
were very good and it was clear and then

1328
01:00:15,020 --> 01:00:12,120
he had a scientific background they just

1329
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,030
as made evident by how he praised his

1330
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:17,460
questions he wanted he wanted hard data

1331
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:20,550
not just fluff yeah exactly

1332
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:23,610
well I think it was a little fluffy on

1333
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,760
some presenters part Linda how it comes

1334
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:28,140
to mind of

1335
01:00:31,340 --> 01:00:29,850
providing written materials to the

1336
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:31,350
congresspeople and then sitting in a

1337
01:00:35,530 --> 01:00:33,480
monotone voice reading it to them I

1338
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:35,540
think at that point she was told that

1339
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:38,880
you know she normally in a congressional

1340
01:00:42,350 --> 01:00:40,650
hearing you only have five minutes and

1341
01:00:45,260 --> 01:00:42,360
you don't have the the luxury of having

1342
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:45,270
visuals and and she was actually called

1343
01:00:51,260 --> 01:00:49,410
out by name for kind of no I don't know

1344
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:51,270
if you call it grandstanding but with

1345
01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:53,670
all the pregnant pauses and it just

1346
01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:55,800
seemed to me to be over the top and I

1347
01:01:00,740 --> 01:00:57,870
think most people really realize that

1348
01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:00,750
they really had to get up there say

1349
01:01:05,060 --> 01:01:03,630
their piece and stay within the contain

1350
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:05,070
constraints which which were actually

1351
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:07,110
liberal for a for a congressional

1352
01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:09,390
hearing liberal with me I'm afraid I

1353
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,300
violated that myself that well you you

1354
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:14,220
you were starting the whole thing out so

1355
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:16,170
you didn't really know you didn't they

1356
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,880
were trying to flash numbers of people

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you have you know five minutes left you

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have one minute left

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yeah I think everybody towards the

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second and third day really zeroed in on

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the time constraints and and and

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attempted to make their case as quickly

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as they could and still be you know

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comprehended quick question here before

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:36,990
we go on that is do you think the minds

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01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:39,810
of any of those members of Congress were

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changed I got the impression that

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senator gravel takes it pretty seriously

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yeah do you think those who went in who

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were skeptical came out and said you

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01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:50,370
know there's something really strange

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going on here I think they alter it out

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well they actually said that and gotten

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a also a couple of occasions I felt they

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were really very forthright in saying we

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came into this hearing session really

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not well schooled in the subject of UFOs

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and we feel we the committee members

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feel that we've had some excellent

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testimony here and good objective

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reliable testimony what I found the

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testimony of the South America the the

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military officers from South America one

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of this them at least one of whom really

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intercepted an object with a Sukhoi 22

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jet fighter very compelling and when he

1387
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said he'd fired sick I think he said

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sixty three rounds of thirty millimeter

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cannons

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at the object and the object just

1391
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absorbed them yeah even though he could

1392
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:49,980
see amazing projectiles hit that's

1393
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:51,930
pretty powerful testimony No

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and he was so circumspect and so careful

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with how he described and Ana was

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pointed out by the Congress people how

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they were there they're very impressed

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with his is very conservative just

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sticking to the facts not overstating

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anything just being very matter-of-fact

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and circumspect about it and yeah and I

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agree I mean that was probably I think

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the most riveting personal testimony

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that that we heard because of course we

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are I think it was a colonel in the Air

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Force so I mean you know he's a high

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testimony at the Citizen hearing on

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1515
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,190
last week where I was the anchor and he

1516
01:08:23,690 --> 01:08:21,839
was the on-scene reporter as to what was

1517
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:23,700
going on Peter Davenport was one of the

1518
01:08:28,579 --> 01:08:26,219
presenters so a lot of the very key

1519
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:28,589
information came to him now of all the

1520
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:30,870
cases that you presented during these

1521
01:08:34,490 --> 01:08:32,130
sessions and all the stuff you've

1522
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:34,500
investigated if I brought you into my

1523
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:38,130
office I said Peter I want to know the

1524
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:42,210
best case of all that demonstrates UFOs

1525
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,810
a real solid aircraft of unknown origin

1526
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:47,880
what do you think that singular case

1527
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:50,250
would be well the two cases that come to

1528
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:52,650
mind immediately the first one is the

1529
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:55,259
Phoenix lights case yeah it's actually a

1530
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:58,020
misnomer because the event started over

1531
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:01,920
Henderson Nevada not Phoenix this was on

1532
01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:04,259
the Thursday night the 13th of March

1533
01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:07,140
1997 the other case that I would cite

1534
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:10,259
that I was not involved in actually was

1535
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:13,170
the case of Travis Walton in November of

1536
01:09:19,249 --> 01:09:16,710
1975 November 5th those are the two most

1537
01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:19,259
dramatic cases that I'm aware of now of

1538
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:20,580
course the big argument people make

1539
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:23,130
about Travis Walton and we do hope he

1540
01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:24,810
will accept our invitation to come into

1541
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:27,779
power cast the argument is that at least

1542
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:30,810
one of the lie detector tests he failed

1543
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,239
that's always product to mind I'm not

1544
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,279
aware of that that's what I heard him on

1545
01:09:39,019 --> 01:09:36,960
one of the tests he failed or they

1546
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,029
claimed that yeah I haven't heard that

1547
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:41,520
report but I know Travis Walton well I

1548
01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:43,980
hold him in very high regard I've

1549
01:09:51,019 --> 01:09:47,969
listened to his detailed description of

1550
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:51,029
his his experience back in November of

1551
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:55,140
75 I first heard it I think I can tell

1552
01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:57,690
you the date the 13th of March 1998 when

1553
01:10:01,729 --> 01:10:00,540
I first met Travis and his story hasn't

1554
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:01,739
changed a bit

1555
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:03,070
it's been rock-solid

1556
01:10:09,390 --> 01:10:06,489
for 30-plus years once you get to know

1557
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:09,400
Travis Walton you realize just how

1558
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,130
straight a shooter this guy is he I'm

1559
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:15,280
impressed with the guy he's very very

1560
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:16,570
even keel

1561
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:19,960
he's soft-spoken self-effacing and I

1562
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:22,719
can't believe he's done all of this and

1563
01:10:28,379 --> 01:10:25,530
been consistent over the last 38 years

1564
01:10:29,970 --> 01:10:28,389
he couldn't have done that I think if it

1565
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:29,980
were all a hoax

1566
01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:32,230
in my opinion a very dramatic case a

1567
01:10:38,459 --> 01:10:35,560
case in which a guy was aboard a saucer

1568
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:38,469
it's that simple it's a case where there

1569
01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:40,420
multiple witnesses there were six guys

1570
01:10:45,959 --> 01:10:42,760
sitting in a truck his co-workers

1571
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:45,969
looking out the window a truck while all

1572
01:10:49,649 --> 01:10:47,590
of this took place in front of him it

1573
01:10:51,899 --> 01:10:49,659
scared him so badly they decided to get

1574
01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:51,909
out of the county in my opinion a very

1575
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:54,280
dramatic case but the Phoenix lights

1576
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,570
case was a good one we estimate that it

1577
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:00,880
had to have been hundreds of thousands

1578
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:03,130
of people who saw those objects that

1579
01:11:08,129 --> 01:11:05,110
spent almost two hours maybe a little

1580
01:11:10,379 --> 01:11:08,139
bit more than two hours loitering over

1581
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:10,389
the state as you pointed out earlier in

1582
01:11:14,939 --> 01:11:12,550
this program Chris to include the

1583
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:14,949
governor of the state who lied for 10

1584
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:17,650
years he did not share with his

1585
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:20,260
constituents or the public the fact that

1586
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:22,449
he had seen one of those objects he made

1587
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:26,560
light of it which annoys me tremendously

1588
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:29,770
it really raises the question of whether

1589
01:11:37,979 --> 01:11:34,060
he was pardoned by President Clinton in

1590
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:37,989
response to or as payment for the

1591
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:40,329
governor's remaining silent for 10 years

1592
01:11:44,729 --> 01:11:42,489
did you know Peter that I was in in Casa

1593
01:11:47,879 --> 01:11:44,739
Grande right south him in between

1594
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:47,889
Phoenix and Tucson like in a motel right

1595
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:50,050
on i-10 and the thing flew right over

1596
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:51,730
the motel and I was in watching a

1597
01:11:57,870 --> 01:11:56,020
basketball game hollering and I thought

1598
01:11:59,609 --> 01:11:57,880
they'd it was people watching the game

1599
01:12:02,189 --> 01:11:59,619
and and then all of a sudden they broke

1600
01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:02,199
in and said we have a special you know

1601
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:04,900
report behind me or you see this huge

1602
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,670
object is hovering over this fellow

1603
01:12:10,109 --> 01:12:08,800
mountains and I'm like what and so I go

1604
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:10,119
outside and all these people are out

1605
01:12:14,839 --> 01:12:12,130
there saying oh you missed it it flew

1606
01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:14,849
over it was miles long I'm like oh man

1607
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:16,540
well we

1608
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:19,510
report from mrs. Stacy Rhodes who was

1609
01:12:24,450 --> 01:12:23,470
driving up Interstate 10 from Tucson up

1610
01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:24,460
to Phoenix

1611
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:26,920
her husband was driving she was in the

1612
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:29,950
passenger seat in the front seat her two

1613
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:31,690
children were in the back seat and I

1614
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:33,730
think her mother-in-law they saw the

1615
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:36,610
object as it straddled the highway it

1616
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:40,030
was a huge craft miles and width and it

1617
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:43,090
completely blanketed out the sky above

1618
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:45,310
them as they drove under it she

1619
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estimates that they were doing 80 miles

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an hour

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01:12:52,770 --> 01:12:51,550
they were underneath it for an estimated

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:52,780
one to two minutes

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01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:55,210
underscoring just how big the object was

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01:12:59,130 --> 01:12:57,310
and the object was going in the opposite

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01:13:02,460 --> 01:12:59,140
direction it was going southeast towards

1626
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:02,470
Tucson so they were in Casa Grande when

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01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:04,410
they saw that object it was a dramatic

1628
01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:07,060
sighting and that was one of only five

1629
01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:10,420
where only one of five triangular craft

1630
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:12,670
that were over Phoenix that night in

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01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:16,450
addition to a huge disc how big the disc

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01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:18,580
was we have no idea but people said it

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:20,980
appeared to them to be very large

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01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:24,010
perhaps a mile or two in diameter I just

1635
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:25,210
want to throw something out here because

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01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:27,070
I mentioned the failure of hawai

1637
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:29,530
detector test the part of Travis Walton

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01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:31,960
there is a section in the Wikipedia

1639
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:35,590
entry on the case that covers this and

1640
01:13:39,690 --> 01:13:38,230
obviously its controversial as to the

1641
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:39,700
nature of those tests it's called

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01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:42,630
suppressed polygraph exam and

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controversy and discusses the report of

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01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:47,740
polygraph tests that he may have failed

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01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,080
and what might have been the flaws but

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01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,000
those who want to get the pluses and

1647
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:54,400
minuses should look over that entry and

1648
01:13:58,590 --> 01:13:56,260
then when we have Travis Walton are and

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01:14:00,540 --> 01:13:58,600
hopefully soon we'll be able to question

1650
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:00,550
him about it fair enough Peter yeah

1651
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:03,730
sounds good I've read Travis's book and

1652
01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:06,460
I'm going on memory now excellent look I

1653
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:07,870
enjoyed it immensely

1654
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:11,860
I spoke with Travis down at the Eureka

1655
01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:14,050
Springs conference I think it was April

1656
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,100
of 2011 so about two years ago and I

1657
01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:21,040
asked him that question whether he had

1658
01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:24,340
written his book by himself or whether

1659
01:14:29,819 --> 01:14:26,790
he had somebody helping him with it and

1660
01:14:32,540 --> 01:14:29,829
he said he'd done it

1661
01:14:36,030 --> 01:14:32,550
every word he had written himself very

1662
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:36,040
interesting very well-written book one

1663
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:39,030
of the more remarkable and were

1664
01:14:45,689 --> 01:14:42,010
memorable books in the field of ethology

1665
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:45,699
that I've read his description of waking

1666
01:14:51,299 --> 01:14:48,670
up apparently in the saucer that had

1667
01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:51,309
abducted him and seen these creatures

1668
01:14:57,089 --> 01:14:54,340
standing around the gurney or the table

1669
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:57,099
that he's lying on is really very very

1670
01:15:02,939 --> 01:14:59,260
gripping and what they looked like and

1671
01:15:06,180 --> 01:15:02,949
his experience aboard that saucer then

1672
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:06,190
he was he remembers being somewhere else

1673
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:09,760
on him in a much larger facility perhaps

1674
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:12,159
a so-called mothership a term many

1675
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:16,690
people use I I hope you can get him on

1676
01:15:20,339 --> 01:15:18,670
so he can tell his own yeah he's agreed

1677
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:20,349
to go on it's just hard to pin him down

1678
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:22,630
yeah well he's got a pretty extensive

1679
01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:25,960
travel itinerary going to all of these

1680
01:15:30,629 --> 01:15:28,300
conferences he's in high demand I'm not

1681
01:15:33,629 --> 01:15:30,639
surprised we're hoping so because every

1682
01:15:35,459 --> 01:15:33,639
time we see Travis at a UFO event we say

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Travis can you do an interview with us

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01:15:39,299 --> 01:15:36,670
sure sure

1685
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contact me after this event and I'll be

1686
01:15:43,049 --> 01:15:41,170
happy to do it so then we contact him

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:43,059
after the event and maybe our reputation

1688
01:15:47,939 --> 01:15:45,010
precedes us as being hard nosed

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01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:47,949
questioners here as you know maybe you

1690
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:49,420
know he's having second thoughts but we

1691
01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:51,610
do hope we'll come on we're not here to

1692
01:15:55,410 --> 01:15:54,099
just disprove things we just want to

1693
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,420
know what's going on what happened to

1694
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,239
him know why you guys I would recommend

1695
01:16:02,819 --> 01:15:59,920
you read his book before you interview

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him because the latest edition of his

1697
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:05,590
book because it's very good it goes into

1698
01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:09,670
great detail as to what happened his

1699
01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:11,590
experience aboard the saucer and what

1700
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happened subsequently to that he does an

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excellent job of addressing every detail

1702
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of it that I can imagine I can imagine

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this is the wrong tire cluster of the

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UFO encyclopedia other books you're

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listening to the parent cap on the power

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cast with gene and Chris where Chris is

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in our special studio in a secret

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missile silo I want to clarify that yeah

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01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:18,760
Peter Davenport of the national UFO

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01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:21,040
Reporting Center with us for those

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listeners who aren't familiar with your

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01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,240
organization maybe spend a moment give

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01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,040
us the history of the organization and

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01:21:30,210 --> 01:21:28,960
how people can get in touch with you and

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01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:30,220
then we'll get back to case histories

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you bet I welcome that opportunity I

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became the director of the national UFO

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Reporting Center in late July of 1994

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although it had been in existence almost

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20 years at that point

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founded by mr. Robert J Gribble a

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retired Seattle fireman who was very

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01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:50,470
interested in the UFO phenomenon had

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hosted a great many gatherings of people

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who were involved in the UFO research

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01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,870
and he ran the hotline for 20 years how

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he did it I don't know but it's

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01:22:07,170 --> 01:22:03,420
testimony to the the stamina of a

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Seattle fireman I took it over in July

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01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:10,090
of 94 and it's the most remarkable job

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01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:12,850
I've ever had in my life taking UFO

1847
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:15,910
reports 24 hours a day it's really quite

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01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:18,610
remarkable but essentially we do two

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things we provide a facility where

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people may contact they may contact us

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01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:27,580
most of all that we ask them to submit

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01:22:33,570 --> 01:22:30,610
their data a description of their

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01:22:36,630 --> 01:22:33,580
experience or sighting in written form

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01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:36,640
and we then make those reports available

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01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:39,790
in the last 19 years I estimate that I

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have received somewhere between 200,000

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01:22:49,710 --> 01:22:45,820
and 300,000 reports over the telephone

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01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:49,720
and over the Internet we have about 76

1859
01:22:55,740 --> 01:22:52,810
or 78 thousand reports posted the

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01:22:57,780 --> 01:22:55,750
smaller number of posted reports below

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01:23:00,630 --> 01:22:57,790
the total number of reports I've

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received is because not everybody who

1863
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:03,040
contacts our Center follows up with a

1864
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:06,430
written report so we have fewer reports

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01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:08,470
than otherwise could be the case if

1866
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:09,550
everybody

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01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:11,350
followed up with a written statement a

1868
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:13,270
written detailed statement of their

1869
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:15,910
experience and sighting here's an

1870
01:23:19,890 --> 01:23:17,770
interesting factoid I'll share with our

1871
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:19,900
audience which is a surprise to many

1872
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:22,870
people I estimate that out of somewhere

1873
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:25,600
between 10,000 and 20,000 individuals

1874
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:28,570
who have been witness to what most

1875
01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:32,320
likely was a UFO only one of those 10 to

1876
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:35,350
20,000 people has ever reported it in a

1877
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:38,530
meaningful fashion meaningful fashion

1878
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:41,400
meaning they have not written it down

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01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:44,830
they have not recorded the evidence

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:47,290
indelibly in a fashion that allows us to

1881
01:23:53,190 --> 01:23:50,850
share it publicly with other people but

1882
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76,000 reports let's be conservative

1883
01:24:00,840 --> 01:23:57,460
that's a lot of reports if the UFO

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01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:00,850
phenomenon is a hoax or not real that's

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a lot of reports from people who have

1886
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:06,790
been mistaken by something so that's

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what we do in a nutshell just very

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briefly here or maybe we can get into

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01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,330
more detail it's feeling that when we

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cover UFOs we concentrate on all these

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older cases going back to Roswell in the

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50s 60s 70s now mentioning another

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organization MUFON it seems in 2012

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there are quite a few sightings that

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they recorded what's your experience

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01:24:34,110 --> 01:24:32,050
been well we have similar experiences

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between the national UFO Reporting

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Center and MUFON I'm a member of MUFON I

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01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:40,180
write a monthly article from the MUFON

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Journal and Roger Marsh the editor of

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01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:45,820
that journal and I compare notes and

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01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:47,860
we're having similar experiences similar

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01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:50,290
number of reports the trends that they

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01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,930
see are similar to the trends that I

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believe are evident in the data that I

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01:25:01,620 --> 01:24:59,260
post so this happens it tends to

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corroborate the experience of one

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01:25:06,750 --> 01:25:03,700
organization corroborates what another

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01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:06,760
organization is experiencing as well so

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it's yet more corroboration of our

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01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:12,310
suspicions that this phenomenon is very

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01:25:19,980 --> 01:25:14,940
real and it is what it appears to be

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namely we are receiving reports about

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the presence or apparent presence of

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alien spacecraft on the planet Earth and

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it's been taking place for a long long

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01:25:32,110 --> 01:25:29,600
time I suspect now as you know there are

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other theories about UFOs because

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obviously we can say they appear to be

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extraterrestrial because they show all

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01:25:41,290 --> 01:25:38,750
this evidence of advanced technology

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01:25:43,780 --> 01:25:41,300
some talk of interdimensional time

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01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:43,790
travelers whatever do you think maybe

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01:25:48,490 --> 01:25:46,310
it's a little premature to be saying

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01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:48,500
spaceships before the investigation

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01:25:53,850 --> 01:25:51,430
continues well I suspect that

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interdimensional or time travel

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experiences are UFOs they're one in the

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same creatures that have a command of

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physics and understanding the physics

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that allows them to do this type of

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thing and to travel in the

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three-dimensional space that we are

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currently trapped in four dimensions if

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you include time but if people think

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that it's something other than what we

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01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:17,660
apologists have reported I think they

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01:26:22,150 --> 01:26:20,480
have a special responsibility to present

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01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:22,160
their evidence that has led them to

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01:26:27,850 --> 01:26:24,460
their conclusion that's the scientific

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01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:27,860
method that's the system we rely on to

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:30,980
get to the bottom of any complex or

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01:26:35,979 --> 01:26:34,130
under complex phenomenon that we don't

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01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:35,989
understand well use the scientific

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01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:38,870
method I would recommend to them well

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01:26:42,189 --> 01:26:40,580
how's the scientific method say they're

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01:26:44,970 --> 01:26:42,199
spaceships I mean we can say they're

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01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:44,980
physical we can say they seem to show

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01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:47,449
maneuverability that's beyond what we

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01:26:51,459 --> 01:26:49,310
can do they're tracked on radar they're

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01:26:53,950 --> 01:26:51,469
photographed and movies are taken of

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01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:53,960
them sometimes but how can we say their

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01:26:58,270 --> 01:26:56,060
extraterrestrial it sounds like what

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01:27:00,490 --> 01:26:58,280
else can it be it's pretty simple from

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01:27:03,580 --> 01:27:00,500
my vantage point if they travel at

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01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:03,590
20,000 miles an hour or 50 feet or 50

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01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:05,600
miles above the surface of the planet

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that's not United Airlines flight 263

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01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:11,810
headed to Buffalo it's not a Canadian

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01:27:17,380 --> 01:27:15,530
goose so I think the evidence is fairly

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01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:17,390
clear that we're dealing with something

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01:27:23,290 --> 01:27:20,810
that is totally a non anomalous and if

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01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:23,300
you combine those reports with reports

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which are fairly infrequent but I feel

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01:27:31,979 --> 01:27:29,180
in many cases well substantiated reports

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01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:31,989
from people who claim to have seen

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01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,500
creatures I think that's enough evidence

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certainly for me to conclude that we

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almost certainly are dealing with crafts

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01:27:48,490 --> 01:27:44,510
that are of extraterrestrial origin and

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01:27:51,130 --> 01:27:48,500
they're piloted by creatures that are

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:51,140
not from this planet in my opinion we

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01:27:56,110 --> 01:27:53,810
have very solid evidence and the one

1974
01:27:58,690 --> 01:27:56,120
thing I'd like to do is build a passive

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01:28:01,300 --> 01:27:58,700
radar system the system I described in

1976
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:01,310
the paper I wrote back in the spring of

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01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,650
2004 and presented at the MUFON

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01:28:08,980 --> 01:28:06,800
symposium in Denver if we build one of

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01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:08,990
those systems we will be able to provide

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the evidence that is that supports the

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statement I just made quite handily I

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think so that's what I'd like to do we

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01:28:21,730 --> 01:28:19,940
we can collect the evidence if the

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01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:21,740
government is not going to share what it

1985
01:28:26,740 --> 01:28:24,380
knows about UFOs we're going to have to

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01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:26,750
go around them sort of an island hopping

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01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:32,450
exercise to just important or skip or

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01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:34,250
ignore what the government has to say

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01:28:40,930 --> 01:28:38,170
and generate our own objective

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01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:40,940
information on this phenomenon now

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01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:43,130
that's what I'd like to do now I'm sure

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01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:45,350
that Chris can come up with case

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01:28:49,810 --> 01:28:47,090
histories of what I'm talking about here

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01:28:51,700 --> 01:28:49,820
and I'll ask Chris to do that but do you

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01:28:53,860 --> 01:28:51,710
ever get the impression that what we're

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01:28:55,870 --> 01:28:53,870
seeing is not what's really there and I

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01:28:58,540 --> 01:28:55,880
don't mean illusions either are you get

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01:29:00,460 --> 01:28:58,550
my drift are we seeing the actual event

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01:29:03,220 --> 01:29:00,470
that's taking place before us the

2000
01:29:05,530 --> 01:29:03,230
anomalous event or are we seeing what we

2001
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:05,540
think we should see or what we expect to

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01:29:09,190 --> 01:29:07,490
see and maybe I'm getting into a

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01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:09,200
collective unconscious it doesn't mean

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01:29:14,110 --> 01:29:11,210
it's not real it doesn't mean it is an

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alien but are we seeing the actual event

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I don't know how to answer the question

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if they show up in photographs and show

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up on radar and people see them with

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01:29:27,250 --> 01:29:25,130
their visual system I the conclusion

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that leads me to is the event is taking

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place what the nature of the event is we

2012
01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:32,870
still have to explain but if you're

2013
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talking about an imaginal event that

2014
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:38,810
takes us down a path that I really have

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no experience with you know these

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objects do appear obviously to be

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physical by

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you know when you look at that multiple

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witness cases for instance and you

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interview everyone separately there's

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there's general consistencies but some

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of the details tend to be they don't

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always match and they there tends to be

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some sort of skewer or personal bias and

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and I don't think that's a product of

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01:30:11,979 --> 01:30:09,050
people miss remembering something I've

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had cases where you know I've actually

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been one of the multiple witnesses and

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01:30:17,799 --> 01:30:14,989
I've been able to interview people

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almost immediately and and you'll notice

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that there are certain subtle

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differences in how various people

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observe the same event I'm curious I

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want to ask you about the specifics

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because this is what we're getting to

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and we'll have Peters reaction with Jean

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metallic aircrafts but if we saw that in

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connection with our culture of a

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thousand years ago what would they

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primitive people would have observed

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this particular phenomenon who knows

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well you were getting into more detail

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about this in our conversation with

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Peter Davenport

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that's languaging jean i think that

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there's obviously there's going to be

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some sort of difference just based on

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how we language these they try to

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explain to each other these unusual

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01:35:45,110 --> 01:35:42,630
events that are high strange enough for

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us not to obviously consider them to be

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be normal by any stretch but that's the

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point I was bringing up which is the

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point is that depending on our culture

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we will interpret it in the form of our

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understanding of what's going on so if

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we saw Gods coming from the skies we'd

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01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:00,840
interpret it that way if we're living in

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a culture where we're talking about

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spaceships our sci-fi culture they will

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01:36:10,010 --> 01:36:07,920
appear to be spaceships so Chris you

2145
01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:10,020
were talking about variations among

2146
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witnesses that seem to be different than

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just the normal level of

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misinterpretation yeah the two things

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that really stick out in my mind the two

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areas where you are most likely to see

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some sort of personal biases q has to do

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with the actual time of the event

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01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:29,190
Theodore ation of the event and the

2154
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:34,800
actual step-by-step descriptions of what

2155
01:36:38,780 --> 01:36:36,810
it did first what it did second what it

2156
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,790
did third and how long it took to do

2157
01:36:45,710 --> 01:36:41,040
those things I sometimes that can be

2158
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,720
just wildly a variation from one account

2159
01:36:50,630 --> 01:36:47,280
to the other I don't know if you've

2160
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:50,640
found this Peter but but you know it

2161
01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:52,650
just seems that the duration of the

2162
01:36:57,950 --> 01:36:54,900
event and the actual sequence or chain

2163
01:37:00,970 --> 01:36:57,960
of events so 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th those

2164
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:00,980
things tend to be the things that are

2165
01:37:06,810 --> 01:37:05,130
most prone to to beam they have some

2166
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:06,820
sort of variance to them but

2167
01:37:14,670 --> 01:37:10,810
also other details when people describe

2168
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:14,680
a particular craft you can sometimes get

2169
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:17,290
people describing what it appears to be

2170
01:37:22,350 --> 01:37:19,450
different objects even though they're

2171
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:22,360
seen ostensibly this is the same object

2172
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:25,690
so this is not always the case by any

2173
01:37:31,980 --> 01:37:28,330
stretch but when it does happen it makes

2174
01:37:35,460 --> 01:37:31,990
me wonder if perhaps a certain aspect of

2175
01:37:38,700 --> 01:37:35,470
the experience is personalised by the

2176
01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:38,710
witness and it actually can be let's say

2177
01:37:43,950 --> 01:37:40,510
two or three different things at once

2178
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:43,960
and also objects morphing I've had a

2179
01:37:50,010 --> 01:37:46,570
number of reports where objects appear

2180
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:50,020
to be a one shape and size and they can

2181
01:37:54,330 --> 01:37:52,030
divide up into three go back together

2182
01:37:57,450 --> 01:37:54,340
you can have multiple objects that that

2183
01:38:02,130 --> 01:37:57,460
seem to coalesce together I'm not sure

2184
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:02,140
yet a physical spacecraft and of course

2185
01:38:06,930 --> 01:38:04,090
you know the author C Clark you know any

2186
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:06,940
technology advanced beyond ours it will

2187
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:09,760
appear as magic I mean even keeping that

2188
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,710
in mind it just seems that some

2189
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:13,840
sometimes these objects almost appear to

2190
01:38:19,710 --> 01:38:16,090
be alive they almost appear to be

2191
01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:19,720
biological and you know there's a lot

2192
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,460
about this obviously that we don't know

2193
01:38:25,290 --> 01:38:23,440
I'm sure the government has a ton of

2194
01:38:26,610 --> 01:38:25,300
information that we don't have and

2195
01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:26,620
that's why they're probably that much

2196
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:28,750
more confused I think most of us are

2197
01:38:33,090 --> 01:38:31,540
I've said that many times but I do get a

2198
01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:33,100
sense and I've always had a sense that

2199
01:38:39,140 --> 01:38:35,910
there's elements that that are beyond a

2200
01:38:41,450 --> 01:38:39,150
nuts-and-bolts ETH explanation

2201
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:41,460
synchronicities these meaningful

2202
01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:44,110
coincidences that occur that they're

2203
01:38:48,630 --> 01:38:47,710
just too improbable to be by chance or

2204
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:48,640
by coincidence

2205
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:50,170
you know there's elements in there that

2206
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:52,510
I think deserve more attention of course

2207
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:54,790
Jacques Vallee John keel others have

2208
01:38:58,680 --> 01:38:56,890
come up with similar observations over

2209
01:39:00,750 --> 01:38:58,690
the years but I think we still need to

2210
01:39:03,150 --> 01:39:00,760
be at least open-minded enough to

2211
01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:03,160
consider other possibilities and and

2212
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:05,680
look at some of this this sort of hidden

2213
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:07,810
skew factor which I don't think enough

2214
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:11,610
attention is paid to I'm off my soapbox

2215
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:14,560
yeah we all have our own respective soap

2216
01:39:20,410 --> 01:39:17,530
boxes don't we well anything is possible

2217
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:20,420
but I think the bottom line with the UFO

2218
01:39:26,860 --> 01:39:23,440
it appears to be a very real phenomenon

2219
01:39:29,620 --> 01:39:26,870
people are seeing objects for which they

2220
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:29,630
have no terrestrial explanation or glass

2221
01:39:36,490 --> 01:39:33,110
real based explanation people are seeing

2222
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:36,500
from time to time they see very unusual

2223
01:39:42,370 --> 01:39:39,050
creatures suggesting that they've come

2224
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:42,380
from someplace other than from Earth and

2225
01:39:49,959 --> 01:39:45,710
I think it warrants the full intention

2226
01:39:54,130 --> 01:39:49,969
of the world's human population we're

2227
01:39:58,090 --> 01:39:54,140
dealing where I think on the verge of a

2228
01:40:00,850 --> 01:39:58,100
major Epiphany a paradigm shift some

2229
01:40:03,220 --> 01:40:00,860
people call it in realizing that we're

2230
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:03,230
not the only living creatures in this

2231
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:07,130
galaxy and that my opening statement to

2232
01:40:13,390 --> 01:40:10,370
the committee eight days ago was it

2233
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:13,400
appears that the UFO phenomenon is real

2234
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:16,730
and it is the greatest scientific

2235
01:40:22,060 --> 01:40:18,710
question that has ever confronted man

2236
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:22,070
are we alone or are we not from my

2237
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,600
vantage point at the national UFO

2238
01:40:28,570 --> 01:40:25,520
Reporting Center it appears that we are

2239
01:40:32,140 --> 01:40:28,580
not alone and we should be studying this

2240
01:40:34,570 --> 01:40:32,150
this phenomenon aggressively on all

2241
01:40:36,729 --> 01:40:34,580
fronts and we should be pressing our

2242
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:36,739
government to share with us what it

2243
01:40:41,650 --> 01:40:39,110
knows about this phenomenon it must know

2244
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:41,660
the truth for sure you really think they

2245
01:40:46,300 --> 01:40:44,480
know the truth absolutely I do

2246
01:40:50,530 --> 01:40:46,310
when sensing truth do they know the

2247
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:50,540
truth that as you feel its et or do they

2248
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:52,910
know a farther truth or a greater truth

2249
01:40:59,020 --> 01:40:55,730
that they know exactly where they're

2250
01:41:01,300 --> 01:40:59,030
from well I suspect both they're not

2251
01:41:03,550 --> 01:41:01,310
mutually exclusive questions they

2252
01:41:05,370 --> 01:41:03,560
probably have had communication with

2253
01:41:07,740 --> 01:41:05,380
them but that's conjecture on my part

2254
01:41:10,350 --> 01:41:07,750
certainly they would want that

2255
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:10,360
communication they would want to learn

2256
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:13,489
where they've come from what they're

2257
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:17,360
capable of it cuts to every facet of our

2258
01:41:23,979 --> 01:41:20,480
existence where we've come from what our

2259
01:41:26,380 --> 01:41:23,989
purpose is here on planet Earth what our

2260
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:26,390
future may be and so on and so forth

2261
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:29,630
it's a very very important question and

2262
01:41:33,550 --> 01:41:31,730
certainly the US government would

2263
01:41:35,290 --> 01:41:33,560
realize that

2264
01:41:37,050 --> 01:41:35,300
and they would want to communicate with

2265
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:37,060
these creatures I suspect that

2266
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:39,530
communication has taken place and if it

2267
01:41:45,370 --> 01:41:43,730
has I want the US government to share

2268
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:45,380
that information with the American

2269
01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:46,880
people they have not respond so we have

2270
01:41:52,090 --> 01:41:49,540
a right to know in a totalitarian state

2271
01:41:53,890 --> 01:41:52,100
we would not have the authority and the

2272
01:41:56,740 --> 01:41:53,900
right to know but our government

2273
01:41:59,410 --> 01:41:56,750
purports to be representative of the

2274
01:42:02,830 --> 01:41:59,420
American people and that's a completely

2275
01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:02,840
different situation from a totalitarian

2276
01:42:07,930 --> 01:42:05,510
state they have a responsibility to tell

2277
01:42:12,250 --> 01:42:07,940
us what's going on I was rather shocked

2278
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:12,260
last week to discover or to realize that

2279
01:42:17,650 --> 01:42:14,810
apparently members senior members of

2280
01:42:21,130 --> 01:42:17,660
Congress are not aware of the phenomenon

2281
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:21,140
that really surprises me yeah so

2282
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,810
basically we're saying here that there

2283
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:25,760
are no intelligence briefings for any of

2284
01:42:29,980 --> 01:42:28,370
these people in Congress involved with

2285
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,990
any of the intelligence committees

2286
01:42:34,150 --> 01:42:31,520
because that would give them access to

2287
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,160
if there is access both intelligence and

2288
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:36,320
military both I believe young

2289
01:42:44,050 --> 01:42:39,280
congressman Bartlett okay was on the

2290
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:44,060
defense committee he professed to have

2291
01:42:49,060 --> 01:42:46,090
no knowledge of the government's

2292
01:42:51,370 --> 01:42:49,070
participation or exploration of the UFO

2293
01:42:54,210 --> 01:42:51,380
phenomenon I wish I'd had a chance to

2294
01:42:57,580 --> 01:42:54,220
sit down with congressman Bartlett and

2295
01:42:59,500 --> 01:42:57,590
point out that the u.s. Navy with its

2296
01:43:01,360 --> 01:42:59,510
naval space surveillance system

2297
01:43:05,710 --> 01:43:01,370
certainly would have been in a position

2298
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:05,720
to detect UFOs you'd have to think they

2299
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:07,490
did or would up but what about other

2300
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:09,440
countries this is a dilemma that Chris

2301
01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:11,450
and I discussed last week and that is

2302
01:43:16,750 --> 01:43:14,630
that we have other countries who don't

2303
01:43:22,420 --> 01:43:16,760
have our interests at heart we can see

2304
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:22,430
where the UK USA Japan France Australia

2305
01:43:29,140 --> 01:43:25,850
etc we're all in lockstep but then we

2306
01:43:32,170 --> 01:43:29,150
look at Russia we look at China we look

2307
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:32,180
at countries in parts of the world that

2308
01:43:39,190 --> 01:43:35,570
are certainly not consistent with our

2309
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:39,200
goals look at North Korea now obviously

2310
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,490
if their sightings here their sightings

2311
01:43:44,710 --> 01:43:43,070
in North Korea obviously they have

2312
01:43:46,430 --> 01:43:44,720
military officials there who might be

2313
01:43:49,459 --> 01:43:46,440
investigating quit

2314
01:43:51,530 --> 01:43:49,469
they use that as leverage one country

2315
01:43:54,260 --> 01:43:51,540
pitted against another to reveal what it

2316
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:54,270
knows about UFOs how can the entire

2317
01:43:58,970 --> 01:43:56,489
world keep the secret they could indeed

2318
01:44:02,180 --> 01:43:58,980
but in the case of North Korea the

2319
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:02,190
example you've cited it's a totalitarian

2320
01:44:06,650 --> 01:44:04,250
state everybody's afraid of everything

2321
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:06,660
sometimes I wonder about my own country

2322
01:44:11,630 --> 01:44:10,320
with respect to that issue I'm glad you

2323
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:11,640
mentioned because if you had and I would

2324
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:13,290
have well they're listening to this show

2325
01:44:16,370 --> 01:44:14,730
we know that we know it's somewhere in

2326
01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:16,380
the NSA right now one of those big

2327
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:21,480
mainframe computers of course and I've

2328
01:44:26,570 --> 01:44:23,850
talked to senior military people as I

2329
01:44:28,850 --> 01:44:26,580
mentioned during my presentation at the

2330
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:28,860
hearing I've had communications with

2331
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:31,770
people who have stars on their shoulders

2332
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:35,280
and they admit that things have happened

2333
01:44:42,860 --> 01:44:38,370
that they find to be very mysterious and

2334
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:42,870
very dramatic but they are in the

2335
01:44:48,410 --> 01:44:45,060
military they do what their commander

2336
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:48,420
orders them to do or not do they don't

2337
01:44:52,820 --> 01:44:50,730
want to sour their career they if

2338
01:44:55,490 --> 01:44:52,830
they're on the verge of retirement are

2339
01:44:58,340 --> 01:44:55,500
they going to go against the prevailing

2340
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,350
attitude and of the government or

2341
01:45:04,850 --> 01:45:00,719
present prevailing position that UFOs

2342
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:04,860
are not real I don't think so unless

2343
01:45:09,290 --> 01:45:07,110
still that explains why these people

2344
01:45:10,850 --> 01:45:09,300
haven't come forward in greater numbers

2345
01:45:12,740 --> 01:45:10,860
than has been the case there are a few

2346
01:45:15,140 --> 01:45:12,750
exceptions I'll tell you what we'll get

2347
01:45:17,300 --> 01:45:15,150
to those exceptions and more that Peter

2348
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:17,310
Davenport joining gene and Chris you're

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interested in whistleblowers who come

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forth with information about UFOs Peter

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Davenport yeah what did you think of

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this anonymous character the the

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interview that Richard Dolan had with

2419
01:48:24,050 --> 01:48:20,640
him and then it turns out to Linda Howe

2420
01:48:26,300 --> 01:48:24,060
I evidently had met him 20 years ago and

2421
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,310
had done three days worth of interviews

2422
01:48:31,820 --> 01:48:29,280
I forget how many hours but she claimed

2423
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:31,830
that she had sat with a guy for just

2424
01:48:36,110 --> 01:48:34,110
several days what do you think of his

2425
01:48:39,110 --> 01:48:36,120
testimony well it's interesting

2426
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:39,120
but like any testimony like any evidence

2427
01:48:43,070 --> 01:48:41,370
it has to be vetted I would like to know

2428
01:48:45,020 --> 01:48:43,080
the man's name I'd like to know the

2429
01:48:47,780 --> 01:48:45,030
details of his history I'd like to see

2430
01:48:51,110 --> 01:48:47,790
his military record I'd like to see all

2431
01:48:53,390 --> 01:48:51,120
of that before I say yes he's he seems

2432
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:53,400
legitimate or no he's not legitimate

2433
01:48:56,780 --> 01:48:55,230
let's let's maybe give our listeners a

2434
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:56,790
little thumbnail sketch of some of the

2435
01:49:01,550 --> 01:48:59,280
things that he alleged and and so that

2436
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:01,560
people who haven't had the chance maybe

2437
01:49:05,979 --> 01:49:03,510
to see that testimony or read about it

2438
01:49:09,260 --> 01:49:05,989
couldn't be brought up to speed yeah

2439
01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:09,270
gentlemen probably in his 70s I would

2440
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:13,590
guess who was videotaped it appeared to

2441
01:49:18,620 --> 01:49:16,170
be in a motel room somewhere interviewed

2442
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:18,630
by Richard Dolan who's a very skilled

2443
01:49:24,370 --> 01:49:21,449
skilled UFO investigator with a very

2444
01:49:26,540 --> 01:49:24,380
good reputation in the community I think

2445
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:26,550
interviewing this gentleman about his

2446
01:49:33,709 --> 01:49:29,610
career in the military and how he had

2447
01:49:35,959 --> 01:49:33,719
been trained in signals essentially in

2448
01:49:39,340 --> 01:49:35,969
the electronic branch of I think the US

2449
01:49:43,660 --> 01:49:39,350
Army is ethology it was a cryptologist

2450
01:49:46,340 --> 01:49:43,670
cryptologist he was passed in various

2451
01:49:49,370 --> 01:49:46,350
responsibilities tasked to do several

2452
01:49:52,220 --> 01:49:49,380
things that suggested to him that the

2453
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,230
UFO phenomenon was real why he's

2454
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:54,960
remaining anonymous why he would appear

2455
01:49:59,520 --> 01:49:57,520
in the video

2456
01:50:01,230 --> 01:49:59,530
so everybody can see his face but on the

2457
01:50:03,090 --> 01:50:01,240
other hand remain anonymous to the

2458
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:03,100
viewers I couldn't figure out didn't

2459
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:05,290
make sense to me plus he was in very

2460
01:50:08,430 --> 01:50:06,970
poor health he said his kidneys were

2461
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,440
about ready to shut down and he didn't

2462
01:50:12,690 --> 01:50:10,480
really have long to live is the feeling

2463
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:12,700
that one got from looking at him and he

2464
01:50:18,630 --> 01:50:16,210
did sound pretty pretty weak and not

2465
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:18,640
very not in very good health I wonder

2466
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:19,690
though when you have a case like that

2467
01:50:25,980 --> 01:50:22,690
where somebody is a death's door they

2468
01:50:29,190 --> 01:50:25,990
have no vested interests and no reason

2469
01:50:31,380 --> 01:50:29,200
to lie do they want to go out in a blaze

2470
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:31,390
of glory what and that raises the

2471
01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:33,730
question of why he chose to remain

2472
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:36,520
anonymous to his audience in the video I

2473
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:39,730
I didn't understand that at all no he's

2474
01:50:43,230 --> 01:50:41,770
certainly showing his face so people in

2475
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:43,240
the government are going to know who he

2476
01:50:48,270 --> 01:50:45,610
is right in fact he had a career in the

2477
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:48,280
military so it was very interesting he

2478
01:50:52,740 --> 01:50:49,840
said a lot of interesting things about

2479
01:50:54,900 --> 01:50:52,750
what he had been witness to in his long

2480
01:50:58,260 --> 01:50:54,910
career in the military now the work

2481
01:51:00,960 --> 01:50:58,270
begins let's start analyzing what he

2482
01:51:02,940 --> 01:51:00,970
said in detail now and try to document

2483
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:02,950
it that's that would be my approach to

2484
01:51:08,430 --> 01:51:05,290
it and I presume it would be the same

2485
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:08,440
for Richard Dolan or Linda Moulton Howe

2486
01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:12,070
who presented that film I guess sort of

2487
01:51:15,900 --> 01:51:13,720
jointly I don't know what the

2488
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:15,910
relationship is between the two of them

2489
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:19,330
with regard to investigating this case

2490
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:21,760
but that is yet to be brought to the

2491
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:23,530
public yeah exactly

2492
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:25,450
we'll have to get Dolan back on the show

2493
01:51:28,650 --> 01:51:27,010
and have him talk about this in more

2494
01:51:30,630 --> 01:51:28,660
detail and see what happens now the

2495
01:51:33,150 --> 01:51:30,640
other issue of course be hypothetically

2496
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:33,160
maybe this guy doesn't have a living

2497
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:34,810
family anymore he's all alone so it

2498
01:51:38,610 --> 01:51:35,890
doesn't matter what happens

2499
01:51:41,190 --> 01:51:38,620
could be I don't know I can only but

2500
01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:41,200
conjecture that's why I call for an

2501
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:44,980
investigation of the case I'd like an

2502
01:51:49,380 --> 01:51:47,110
explanation of why he showed his face on

2503
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:49,390
a video but he didn't share his name

2504
01:51:52,770 --> 01:51:51,490
that seems hot yeah it does seem odd

2505
01:51:55,980 --> 01:51:52,780
you'd think that they would have

2506
01:51:58,050 --> 01:51:55,990
possibly filmed him in shadow or with

2507
01:51:59,970 --> 01:51:58,060
dark glasses and a hat on or something

2508
01:52:02,010 --> 01:51:59,980
to sort of obscure his features I mean

2509
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,020
be very easy with even the most

2510
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:04,000
rudimentary facial recognition software

2511
01:52:09,500 --> 01:52:06,690
to figure out who he is if you're

2512
01:52:11,660 --> 01:52:09,510
if you're so inclined and especially you

2513
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:11,670
know if it's if he is ex-military or

2514
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:14,400
ex-cia you know that would be very easy

2515
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:16,290
for them to figure out who it is but if

2516
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:17,760
there could be no repercussions who

2517
01:52:23,480 --> 01:52:20,250
cares exactly so that's the on Peter's

2518
01:52:26,450 --> 01:52:23,490
point exactly why why expose yourself

2519
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:26,460
and expose your visit physical nature

2520
01:52:32,030 --> 01:52:29,130
and and not in to divulge your name as

2521
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,040
well it kind of made me scratch my head

2522
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:34,320
a little bit and quite frankly some of

2523
01:52:39,410 --> 01:52:36,480
the things that he was alleging do run

2524
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:39,420
counter to the pop culture view of some

2525
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:42,090
of these things that I think well what

2526
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:43,710
did he say that we first actually were

2527
01:52:50,060 --> 01:52:46,770
in contact with these extraterrestrials

2528
01:52:52,820 --> 01:52:50,070
I think in the late fifties if I'm not

2529
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:52,830
mistaken which runs counter to some

2530
01:52:58,010 --> 01:52:56,580
people's belief that Eisenhower was made

2531
01:53:01,250 --> 01:52:58,020
aware of them very early in his

2532
01:53:03,860 --> 01:53:01,260
presidency possibly at Holloman Air

2533
01:53:06,110 --> 01:53:03,870
Force Base I think he did address the

2534
01:53:08,510 --> 01:53:06,120
Eisenhower administration yeah but I

2535
01:53:11,150 --> 01:53:08,520
think he said 59 I think is when he said

2536
01:53:13,130 --> 01:53:11,160
the actual meeting took place and it

2537
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:13,140
didn't sound like the stories that we've

2538
01:53:16,460 --> 01:53:14,490
heard over the years of the Holloman

2539
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:16,470
encounter with the with the big-nosed

2540
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:19,920
greys or the orange oranges or however

2541
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:22,770
that sort of it's almost an urban myth I

2542
01:53:27,860 --> 01:53:25,080
think by now but you know when he was

2543
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:27,870
supposedly going to the dentist in Palm

2544
01:53:32,420 --> 01:53:30,330
Springs he snuck toe out to Holloman or

2545
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:32,430
something I forget the details of the

2546
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:35,370
probably something coming from John Lear

2547
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:38,730
I wouldn't afraid of dentists now

2548
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:42,530
possibly or the the big-nosed greys had

2549
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:44,880
exalted dental technology or something

2550
01:53:50,180 --> 01:53:47,250
maybe he donated me needed some little

2551
01:53:52,910 --> 01:53:50,190
extra special work who knows that but

2552
01:53:56,300 --> 01:53:52,920
that's the it's an example of how much

2553
01:53:58,430 --> 01:53:56,310
work there is to be done by ufologists

2554
01:54:02,150 --> 01:53:58,440
when you present a case like this or a

2555
01:54:04,340 --> 01:54:02,160
witness and a left witness then all the

2556
01:54:06,620 --> 01:54:04,350
vetting has to be done they know the

2557
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:06,630
details of what he has to say has got to

2558
01:54:12,230 --> 01:54:08,820
be investigated and corroborated and

2559
01:54:14,900 --> 01:54:12,240
only then can you say that this

2560
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:14,910
testimony is true or not true

2561
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:15,370
well you

2562
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:17,170
think that Linda having met him back in

2563
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:19,510
the early 90s would have done quite a

2564
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:21,250
bit of Investigation and research about

2565
01:54:26,220 --> 01:54:23,890
his background and and really dug into

2566
01:54:28,350 --> 01:54:26,230
it and she would have you would think

2567
01:54:31,020 --> 01:54:28,360
come forward now that he's come out with

2568
01:54:32,580 --> 01:54:31,030
you know kind of the encouragement from

2569
01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:32,590
Richard Dolan that that Linda would say

2570
01:54:37,260 --> 01:54:35,500
yes I checked into this guy he is who he

2571
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:37,270
says he is I haven't heard any of that

2572
01:54:42,180 --> 01:54:39,010
from her yeah

2573
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:42,190
well she is both an investigator and a

2574
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:45,130
reporter and sometimes you hop back and

2575
01:54:51,630 --> 01:54:48,940
forth between you where the both those

2576
01:54:53,940 --> 01:54:51,640
hats well she also kind of sounds like a

2577
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:53,950
genetic scientist the way she comes up

2578
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:55,770
with these blanket statements that

2579
01:55:00,240 --> 01:54:58,090
aliens are here gathering genetic

2580
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:00,250
material for cloning experiments I mean

2581
01:55:05,370 --> 01:55:03,130
that's pretty I mean it's pretty

2582
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:05,380
cut-and-dried indirect I would love to

2583
01:55:13,580 --> 01:55:10,210
see no see a paper on that you know yep

2584
01:55:16,170 --> 01:55:13,590
and why an alien would be collecting

2585
01:55:19,050 --> 01:55:16,180
terrestrial DNA is not clear to me

2586
01:55:22,230 --> 01:55:19,060
because terrestrials may not use DNA to

2587
01:55:24,630 --> 01:55:22,240
pass information from one generation to

2588
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:24,640
the next mine I presume takes place well

2589
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:26,050
she says that they're collecting it from

2590
01:55:30,930 --> 01:55:28,810
cattle well my argument to that has been

2591
01:55:32,940 --> 01:55:30,940
for years well if they're collecting

2592
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:32,950
genetic material in blood and fluids and

2593
01:55:37,230 --> 01:55:34,930
stuff from cattle or some sort of

2594
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:37,240
genetic cloning project that she claims

2595
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:39,370
why not just break into a slaughterhouse

2596
01:55:42,930 --> 01:55:41,530
or a rendering plant and you get as much

2597
01:55:46,020 --> 01:55:42,940
blood and fluid as you could possibly

2598
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:46,030
ever want why do you have to anger yeah

2599
01:55:50,430 --> 01:55:48,250
a pound of hamburger at the local market

2600
01:55:52,980 --> 01:55:50,440
why do they have to butcher the animal

2601
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:52,990
doesn't make sense to me it makes sense

2602
01:55:57,420 --> 01:55:55,090
at all well of course you can also go to

2603
01:55:59,250 --> 01:55:57,430
a doctor's office and steal a few

2604
01:56:01,410 --> 01:55:59,260
samples a few blood samples for human

2605
01:56:04,290 --> 01:56:01,420
beings that's another argument that go

2606
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:04,300
to a blood is et need to collect the

2607
01:56:09,900 --> 01:56:06,970
genetic samples from millions of people

2608
01:56:13,290 --> 01:56:09,910
why can't they just collect from each

2609
01:56:16,350 --> 01:56:13,300
sexual and racial category and that's a

2610
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:16,360
young old how long does it take although

2611
01:56:20,220 --> 01:56:17,770
there are theories that there are

2612
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:20,230
genetic messages that are kept there in

2613
01:56:24,300 --> 01:56:22,450
one's DNA I mean those are things we can

2614
01:56:25,890 --> 01:56:24,310
argue about but I don't know if it makes

2615
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:25,900
any sense to get into that you're

2616
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,760
getting to unknown territory

2617
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:29,920
how come aliens still collect rock

2618
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:31,930
samples and pick flowers and look and

2619
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:33,970
appear to look at them like they don't

2620
01:56:37,380 --> 01:56:35,920
know what they are don't you think it

2621
01:56:40,590 --> 01:56:37,390
would just take something the size of a

2622
01:56:42,810 --> 01:56:40,600
of a beer keg and orbit around the

2623
01:56:44,910 --> 01:56:42,820
planet with even with our technology

2624
01:56:47,850 --> 01:56:44,920
you'll be able to ascertain incredible

2625
01:56:50,610 --> 01:56:47,860
amounts of facts and data why did they

2626
01:56:54,810 --> 01:56:50,620
always seem to be kind of playing out

2627
01:56:56,220 --> 01:56:54,820
this this Explorer landing and looking

2628
01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:56,230
around and seeing things for the first

2629
01:56:59,550 --> 01:56:57,850
time they've been here for probably

2630
01:57:01,230 --> 01:56:59,560
thousands of years how come they're

2631
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:01,240
still having a click you know pick up

2632
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:02,530
rocks like they've never seen them

2633
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:04,330
before before Peter answers that

2634
01:57:08,730 --> 01:57:05,650
question we'd have to stop the door

2635
01:57:10,710 --> 01:57:08,740
break we are engaged in a fascinating

2636
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:10,720
discussion with Peter Davenport of the

2637
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:13,360
national UFO Reporting Council and we're

2638
01:57:18,330 --> 01:57:15,610
trying to figure out Reporting Center

2639
01:57:20,940 --> 01:57:18,340
rather we're trying to figure out what's

2640
01:57:23,970 --> 01:57:20,950
happening with UFOs what the various

2641
01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:23,980
sources could be where they come from

2642
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:26,200
are they really et with Jeanne and Chris

2643
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:28,690
you're in the para cast

2644
01:57:45,250 --> 01:57:43,119
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2645
01:57:47,739 --> 01:57:45,260
creatures from the darkest corners of

2646
01:57:50,529 --> 01:57:47,749
the mind roam the earth is there

2647
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:50,539
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2648
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2660
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[Music]

2663
01:58:40,220 --> 01:58:39,030
have you ever felt like the United

2664
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:40,230
States government knows way too much

2665
01:58:44,270 --> 01:58:42,480
about your financial affairs I continue

2666
01:58:46,489 --> 01:58:44,280
to hear stories about property seizures

2667
01:58:48,620 --> 01:58:46,499
frozen bank accounts confiscation of

2668
01:58:50,509 --> 01:58:48,630
stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

2669
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:50,519
the US citizen will ever again have the

2670
01:58:54,979 --> 01:58:52,530
right to life liberty and the pursuit of

2671
01:58:57,049 --> 01:58:54,989
happiness unfortunately with the drug

2672
01:58:59,870 --> 01:58:57,059
and money laundering Act the IRS Revenue

2673
01:59:01,220 --> 01:58:59,880
Ruling 60/45 of 1984 and the trading

2674
01:59:04,189 --> 01:59:01,230
with the enemy Act in Franklin D

2675
01:59:06,020 --> 01:59:04,199
Roosevelt executive order of 1933 some

2676
01:59:08,089 --> 01:59:06,030
precious metal holdings are subject to

2677
01:59:09,799 --> 01:59:08,099
government intervention for this reason

2678
01:59:11,540 --> 01:59:09,809
Midas Resources has prepared a report

2679
01:59:13,489 --> 01:59:11,550
explaining the boundaries of trading

2680
01:59:15,319 --> 01:59:13,499
precious metals privately whether if you

2681
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:15,329
have any intention of trading with Midas

2682
01:59:18,649 --> 01:59:17,130
resources or not I've instructed my

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for many years and I remember when

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Robert Gribble was in touch with it

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02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:08,220
before you took over Peter Davenport

2749
02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:11,170
we're talking here about I guess the

2750
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:13,840
strange things that happen when

2751
02:02:18,630 --> 02:02:16,000
creatures are seen about UFOs where they

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02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:18,640
seem to kind of repeat the same scene

2753
02:02:21,510 --> 02:02:20,050
over and over again like you're playing

2754
02:02:23,550 --> 02:02:21,520
a loop they're collecting soil samples

2755
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:23,560
doing this they're doing that they're

2756
02:02:28,050 --> 02:02:25,570
doing the other thing which seems to

2757
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:28,060
argue against just a simple alien

2758
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:29,890
visitation how many times they need to

2759
02:02:34,170 --> 02:02:31,930
do the same thing before they get the

2760
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:34,180
evidence they need or the data whatever

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02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:35,920
Peter well I don't have an adequate

2762
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:39,250
answer for that the only thing I can say

2763
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:40,770
is we may be dealing with different

2764
02:02:48,090 --> 02:02:45,610
strains different species of aliens that

2765
02:02:50,730 --> 02:02:48,100
visit this planet my suspicion is that

2766
02:02:53,610 --> 02:02:50,740
if there is one civilization in our

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02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:53,620
galaxy outside our own that is there

2768
02:02:58,530 --> 02:02:56,410
must be many of them what we may be

2769
02:03:01,170 --> 02:02:58,540
looking at is just different species

2770
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:01,180
coming here and they're interested in

2771
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:03,250
the science of our planet they would

2772
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:05,770
collect inorganic material as well as

2773
02:03:11,610 --> 02:03:08,650
organic material just the way scientists

2774
02:03:14,580 --> 02:03:11,620
today on the planet Earth are collecting

2775
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:14,590
that information about the species that

2776
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:17,770
they encounter around the world so I

2777
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:20,410
don't know that it's so unusual what

2778
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:22,210
they do I don't know how many reports

2779
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:26,650
there are or maybe of aliens collecting

2780
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:29,110
rock samples and water samples and so on

2781
02:03:34,050 --> 02:03:31,450
anything flowering illogical samples as

2782
02:03:36,210 --> 02:03:34,060
well I'd like to know that the answer to

2783
02:03:38,220 --> 02:03:36,220
that question for you yeah when I think

2784
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:38,230
of something like ET where you had the

2785
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:40,330
child like alien creature depicted in

2786
02:03:45,150 --> 02:03:41,650
the Steven Spielberg film

2787
02:03:47,189 --> 02:03:45,160
I think Space Camp so the aliens go to

2788
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:47,199
earth a typical

2789
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:50,050
planted we're a science project maybe

2790
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:52,090
we're considered very primitive to them

2791
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:54,610
and they say okay we're now going to

2792
02:03:58,890 --> 02:03:56,650
collect samples just like you dissect a

2793
02:04:00,780 --> 02:03:58,900
frog in elementary school

2794
02:04:02,189 --> 02:04:00,790
now how many frogs do you have to

2795
02:04:05,490 --> 02:04:02,199
dissect before you get the information

2796
02:04:07,709 --> 02:04:05,500
you need it's not that it's training the

2797
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:07,719
children a little bit about biology so

2798
02:04:11,729 --> 02:04:09,850
we have the alien kids go to Space Camp

2799
02:04:13,470 --> 02:04:11,739
and they come to earth or other planets

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02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:13,480
they take samples not because they need

2801
02:04:17,820 --> 02:04:15,610
those samples it's to train these kids

2802
02:04:21,890 --> 02:04:17,830
how it's done Peter what do you think

2803
02:04:24,740 --> 02:04:21,900
about that I like it science project

2804
02:04:27,930 --> 02:04:24,750
there are many many many plausible

2805
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:27,940
explanations presumably one or only very

2806
02:04:33,390 --> 02:04:30,130
few of them are correct this is where

2807
02:04:36,330 --> 02:04:33,400
science comes in to try to get samples a

2808
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:36,340
sample of the events you allude to how

2809
02:04:42,150 --> 02:04:39,370
many alien species visit our planet we

2810
02:04:44,370 --> 02:04:42,160
don't have an adequate explanation for

2811
02:04:46,500 --> 02:04:44,380
that question I feel in fact we don't

2812
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:46,510
even have proof hard proof that

2813
02:04:51,660 --> 02:04:49,210
everybody accepts that one species

2814
02:04:55,740 --> 02:04:51,670
visits the planet the scenario that

2815
02:04:58,380 --> 02:04:55,750
you've spun is quite possible gene now

2816
02:05:01,800 --> 02:04:58,390
we have where the hard work comes in is

2817
02:05:04,860 --> 02:05:01,810
trying to prove it and that's what I'm

2818
02:05:07,439 --> 02:05:04,870
engaged in I feel as a scientist I'm

2819
02:05:09,209 --> 02:05:07,449
trained in the scientific method I have

2820
02:05:12,450 --> 02:05:09,219
a graduate degree in genetics and

2821
02:05:14,610 --> 02:05:12,460
biochemistry I recognize how difficult

2822
02:05:16,590 --> 02:05:14,620
coming up with answers to those

2823
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:16,600
questions are they the questions are

2824
02:05:21,630 --> 02:05:18,730
simple to formulate the answers to those

2825
02:05:24,330 --> 02:05:21,640
questions are much more difficult to

2826
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:24,340
come up with in a satisfactory fashion I

2827
02:05:28,919 --> 02:05:26,170
don't know the answer to the question

2828
02:05:33,570 --> 02:05:28,929
but I do feel there's enough evidence in

2829
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:33,580
the UFO domain to warrant aggressive

2830
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:36,130
detailed investigation of the phenomenon

2831
02:05:40,830 --> 02:05:38,890
you have to thank Peter that we really

2832
02:05:42,900 --> 02:05:40,840
need to get a hold of something here and

2833
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:42,910
the question is here in terms of the

2834
02:05:47,820 --> 02:05:45,730
government's if our government or any

2835
02:05:50,430 --> 02:05:47,830
government has guilty knowledge not just

2836
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:50,440
that UFOs may be et but they are in

2837
02:05:56,220 --> 02:05:53,290
communication with those beings how do

2838
02:05:58,830 --> 02:05:56,230
we bring disclosure how do we make them

2839
02:06:00,010 --> 02:05:58,840
tell what they know well we elect people

2840
02:06:03,220 --> 02:06:00,020
to office who

2841
02:06:04,540 --> 02:06:03,230
run on a platform of the truth yeah but

2842
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,550
you to kind of think that we've had

2843
02:06:08,530 --> 02:06:06,560
presidential candidate I'm thinking of

2844
02:06:10,660 --> 02:06:08,540
Carter who seem to want to get to the

2845
02:06:13,090 --> 02:06:10,670
bottom of it but what seems to happen is

2846
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:13,100
the day they're in office the agenda

2847
02:06:18,660 --> 02:06:15,530
always changes or Clinton there's

2848
02:06:21,550 --> 02:06:18,670
another example yeah apparently

2849
02:06:23,230 --> 02:06:21,560
dispatched one of his lifelong friends

2850
02:06:25,690 --> 02:06:23,240
web my beloved who was writing the book

2851
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:25,700
to find out the truth Jay two answers

2852
02:06:30,130 --> 02:06:27,650
the answers to two questions I should

2853
02:06:32,590 --> 02:06:30,140
say number one who killed Kennedy and

2854
02:06:34,750 --> 02:06:32,600
why and the other one was UFOs is the

2855
02:06:37,150 --> 02:06:34,760
phenomenon real or not and webster

2856
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:37,160
hubbell was not able to do that however

2857
02:06:41,620 --> 02:06:39,920
I suspect that Clinton woke if even if

2858
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:41,630
he had not been briefed on the UFO

2859
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:44,090
phenomenon he woke up very quickly on

2860
02:06:50,770 --> 02:06:48,050
the evening of the 13th of March 1997 my

2861
02:06:54,130 --> 02:06:50,780
suspicion is and this is pure conjecture

2862
02:06:56,470 --> 02:06:54,140
this is an interesting coincidence that

2863
02:06:59,230 --> 02:06:56,480
President Clinton's injury that he

2864
02:07:01,480 --> 02:06:59,240
allegedly sustained down in Florida when

2865
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:01,490
he was spending that night at the home

2866
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:03,290
of Greg Norman may have been related to

2867
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:05,360
the Phoenix lights the president's

2868
02:07:10,630 --> 02:07:07,970
injury took place within seconds or

2869
02:07:13,570 --> 02:07:10,640
minutes of the intercept of that huge

2870
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:13,580
craft over Phoenix enlighten us what

2871
02:07:16,540 --> 02:07:15,050
happened to him I forgot forget it I

2872
02:07:18,670 --> 02:07:16,550
forgot about this little detail what

2873
02:07:21,190 --> 02:07:18,680
happened to the morning of Thursday the

2874
02:07:22,990 --> 02:07:21,200
13th of March 1997 the President of the

2875
02:07:26,530 --> 02:07:23,000
United States William Jefferson Clinton

2876
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:26,540
flew from Washington DC down to Florida

2877
02:07:30,820 --> 02:07:29,360
to spend the day playing golf with Greg

2878
02:07:33,940 --> 02:07:30,830
Norman the Australian professional

2879
02:07:35,500 --> 02:07:33,950
golfer that night President Clinton

2880
02:07:37,810 --> 02:07:35,510
spent the night at the home of Greg

2881
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:37,820
Norman and that is when the president

2882
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:41,090
allegedly sustained extensive injuries

2883
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:44,030
to his knee he collapsed or fell or

2884
02:07:51,220 --> 02:07:47,690
injured it somehow and was spirited back

2885
02:07:53,770 --> 02:07:51,230
to Washington DC again allegedly well

2886
02:07:56,740 --> 02:07:53,780
that injury and I've been talking about

2887
02:07:59,290 --> 02:07:56,750
this phenomenon now for 16 over 16 years

2888
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,300
I brought this to the attention of the

2889
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:01,760
American public the night after the

2890
02:08:07,150 --> 02:08:04,400
Phoenix lights event had occurred my

2891
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:07,160
suspicion is the President may if in

2892
02:08:11,650 --> 02:08:09,770
fact he was injured that he may have

2893
02:08:13,419 --> 02:08:11,660
been injured in the course of his being

2894
02:08:16,569 --> 02:08:13,429
taken from the home of

2895
02:08:20,679 --> 02:08:16,579
Greg Norman to a military safe area and

2896
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:20,689
in the haste to get him to that military

2897
02:08:25,540 --> 02:08:23,119
facility they may have injured him as

2898
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:25,550
the Secret Service was chaperoning him

2899
02:08:28,719 --> 02:08:28,010
out of the home of incest in yeah that

2900
02:08:30,939 --> 02:08:28,729
makes sense

2901
02:08:33,729 --> 02:08:30,949
because boy once they get those in order

2902
02:08:35,620 --> 02:08:33,739
to move boy they do move yeah we I

2903
02:08:37,959 --> 02:08:35,630
mentioned earlier in this program that

2904
02:08:40,330 --> 02:08:37,969
I've talked to senior military officers

2905
02:08:43,689 --> 02:08:40,340
one of the bits of information I've

2906
02:08:46,649 --> 02:08:43,699
received from a senior officer is that

2907
02:08:49,959 --> 02:08:46,659
yes indeed US military forces were

2908
02:08:52,660 --> 02:08:49,969
elevated from defense condition five-two

2909
02:08:55,299 --> 02:08:52,670
defense condition 3 as a result of the

2910
02:08:59,169 --> 02:08:55,309
Phoenix lights intercept one of the

2911
02:09:02,319 --> 02:08:59,179
objects was intercepted by two f-15 c.c

2912
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:02,329
model fighters over the intersection of

2913
02:09:06,429 --> 02:09:04,729
Indian School Road and 7th Avenue right

2914
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:06,439
well it was shortly after that that

2915
02:09:11,949 --> 02:09:09,050
allegedly US military forces were

2916
02:09:14,679 --> 02:09:11,959
elevated to defense condition 3 DEFCON 3

2917
02:09:17,890 --> 02:09:14,689
that's one step short of global warfare

2918
02:09:20,739 --> 02:09:17,900
I'm told I know very little about the

2919
02:09:22,449 --> 02:09:20,749
defense condition levels and that's for

2920
02:09:25,299 --> 02:09:22,459
good reason the military doesn't share

2921
02:09:27,429 --> 02:09:25,309
them publicly so my suspicion is the

2922
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:27,439
President of the United States President

2923
02:09:31,810 --> 02:09:29,570
Clinton if he didn't know about UFOs

2924
02:09:34,660 --> 02:09:31,820
before the night of the Phoenix lights

2925
02:09:36,609 --> 02:09:34,670
event he certainly did the night of that

2926
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:36,619
event he may have been injured as a

2927
02:09:40,569 --> 02:09:38,719
result not be an interesting question

2928
02:09:42,009 --> 02:09:40,579
for something to ask him at a press

2929
02:09:43,660 --> 02:09:42,019
conference just kind of spring that one

2930
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:43,670
out of nowhere and say hey by the way

2931
02:09:46,959 --> 02:09:45,650
bill remember that night that you messed

2932
02:09:47,649 --> 02:09:46,969
up your knee how did that actually

2933
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:47,659
happen

2934
02:09:56,859 --> 02:09:53,170
Jay Leno program it was Thursday night

2935
02:09:59,799 --> 02:09:56,869
Thanksgiving evening of 2001 it was not

2936
02:10:02,140 --> 02:09:59,809
President Clinton it was Greg Norman the

2937
02:10:06,009 --> 02:10:02,150
golfer who was a guest the featured

2938
02:10:08,140 --> 02:10:06,019
guest on the Jay Leno program and in

2939
02:10:10,419 --> 02:10:08,150
fact Jay led that was the first question

2940
02:10:12,429 --> 02:10:10,429
that Jay Leno opposed to his guests what

2941
02:10:13,839 --> 02:10:12,439
actually happened to the president will

2942
02:10:17,319 --> 02:10:13,849
have to have the answer our next segment

2943
02:10:19,569 --> 02:10:17,329
What did he say when Jay Leno posed that

2944
02:10:21,070 --> 02:10:19,579
question we have Peter Davenport joining

2945
02:10:29,410 --> 02:10:21,080
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2946
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does not use any database you get full

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graphic converter and a powerful browser

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opens up to show your image files you

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could use it for slideshows you could

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use it to import images from digital

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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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graphic converter also print catalogs

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soft calm what's more amazing than a

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card it's 11 functions rolled into one

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pocket-sized tool including a sharp

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right in your wallet a survival

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bills in front of Congress right now

2985
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could take away your right to keep and

2986
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bear arms if Obama has his way all guns

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will be either ban restricted or

2988
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confiscated possibly by executive order

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the best way to keep their guns is to

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hide them what Obama can't find Obama

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can't take away you can protect your

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guns from any threat download our

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your guns I'd go hide your guns calm

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learn how to hide your guns while

2996
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keeping them readily available get the

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report now before they make us take it

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down on the web and go hide your guns

2999
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calm peace of mind

3000
02:12:48,849 --> 02:12:45,679
burglars look for houses that appeared

3001
02:12:51,250 --> 02:12:48,859
to be easy targets but fake TV can fool

3002
02:13:00,899 --> 02:12:51,260
even professional burglars into thinking

3003
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:03,909
think someone is not watching TV when

3004
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I'm actually away from home fake TV

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easily plugs into any outlet just like a

3006
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light on a timer and they're so easy to

3007
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use you just plug them in and they're

3008
02:13:17,259 --> 02:13:15,289
ready to go plus they're so affordable

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that we have one upstairs and downstairs

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fake TV is only 29.95 with free shipping

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order your fake TV by calling eight

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tv.com that's eight seven seven five

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three two five three eight eight or fake

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tv.com

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fake TV the burglar deterrent ceramic

3017
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:42,979
body armor is rated to stop six hits but

3018
02:13:47,169 --> 02:13:45,050
what about the seventh unlike ceramic or

3019
02:13:49,359 --> 02:13:47,179
Kevlar infidel body armor is proven to

3020
02:13:51,429 --> 02:13:49,369
take hit after hit and it just won't

3021
02:13:52,839 --> 02:13:51,439
quit reasonably priced and designed for

3022
02:13:54,669 --> 02:13:52,849
the smart civilian prepper

3023
02:13:56,859 --> 02:13:54,679
infidel stops hundreds of hits from

3024
02:13:59,349 --> 02:13:56,869
small-arms two high-powered rifles that

3025
02:14:02,739 --> 02:13:59,359
means safety and peace of mind buy yours

3026
02:14:06,369 --> 02:14:02,749
at infidel body armor Gong spell INF i

3027
02:14:08,500 --> 02:14:06,379
de l body armor comm infidel body armor

3028
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,510
just won't quit we the people grow

3029
02:14:12,099 --> 02:14:10,639
cotton wheat fabric engraving can bed

3030
02:14:13,689 --> 02:14:12,109
strips and fibers to protect from

3031
02:14:15,459 --> 02:14:13,699
counterfeit then carding to a private

3032
02:14:17,259 --> 02:14:15,469
bank having it led back at interest

3033
02:14:19,089 --> 02:14:17,269
forcing taxes to surfaced at this

3034
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:19,099
capitalism was jefferson correct when

3035
02:14:22,209 --> 02:14:20,570
stating a central bank issuing the

3036
02:14:23,319 --> 02:14:22,219
public currency is a greater menace to

3037
02:14:25,060 --> 02:14:23,329
the liberties of the people than a

3038
02:14:26,500 --> 02:14:25,070
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

3039
02:14:28,329 --> 02:14:26,510
placing a free silver dollar in a book

3040
02:14:31,839 --> 02:14:28,339
that explains our monetary system call

3041
02:14:35,049 --> 02:14:31,849
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

3042
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:35,059
to understand the system call 866 to 237

3043
02:14:44,410 --> 02:14:39,530
that's 800 686 to 237

3044
02:14:49,330 --> 02:14:47,020
this is the wrong tire cluster of the

3045
02:14:56,080 --> 02:14:49,340
UFO encyclopedia in other books you're

3046
02:14:57,850 --> 02:14:56,090
listening to the parrot cap we have two

3047
02:14:59,860 --> 02:14:57,860
more segments folks and this segment

3048
02:15:02,260 --> 02:14:59,870
Chris will read a few questions from our

3049
02:15:03,700 --> 02:15:02,270
audience from the question Bank at forum

3050
02:15:06,729 --> 02:15:03,710
dr. Peric ask.com

3051
02:15:10,060 --> 02:15:06,739
okay Peter Jay Leno asks the question

3052
02:15:13,479 --> 02:15:10,070
about Clinton what was the response

3053
02:15:16,209 --> 02:15:13,489
well Greg Norman stated as I remember

3054
02:15:18,970 --> 02:15:16,219
this is now almost twelve years ago he

3055
02:15:21,010 --> 02:15:18,980
gave the standard conventional response

3056
02:15:23,169 --> 02:15:21,020
the president and he were standing out

3057
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:23,179
in the driveway of his home and the

3058
02:15:28,689 --> 02:15:25,370
president had a ham sandwich and he was

3059
02:15:30,820 --> 02:15:28,699
holding us a beverage of some some

3060
02:15:33,459 --> 02:15:30,830
variety I think he said a soft drink and

3061
02:15:36,580 --> 02:15:33,469
the president's need just gave way and

3062
02:15:39,070 --> 02:15:36,590
he collapsed in the driveway of Greg

3063
02:15:41,110 --> 02:15:39,080
Norman's home that's what I recall this

3064
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:41,120
could be documented by going back to the

3065
02:15:47,650 --> 02:15:44,330
archive of mine it sounds a little kind

3066
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:47,660
of to me yeah particularly given

3067
02:15:53,919 --> 02:15:51,040
what the president was a jogger is yeah

3068
02:15:56,169 --> 02:15:53,929
the musculature in his legs was probably

3069
02:15:58,240 --> 02:15:56,179
in pretty good shape and I don't know

3070
02:16:00,939 --> 02:15:58,250
this is the problem in dealing with a

3071
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:00,949
government that is insensitive to its

3072
02:16:06,430 --> 02:16:04,610
its people of the electorate now I've

3073
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:06,440
actually called the u.s. air force

3074
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:09,530
office in the Pentagon and requested

3075
02:16:15,100 --> 02:16:12,530
documentation as to or confirmation as

3076
02:16:17,709 --> 02:16:15,110
to whether US military forces were

3077
02:16:21,820 --> 02:16:17,719
elevated from DEFCON five to DEFCON

3078
02:16:24,189 --> 02:16:21,830
three on March 13th 1997 and of course

3079
02:16:26,919 --> 02:16:24,199
they all bet laughed at me they said

3080
02:16:29,620 --> 02:16:26,929
this is not material that we generally

3081
02:16:32,049 --> 02:16:29,630
release although I don't believe that

3082
02:16:34,810 --> 02:16:32,059
statement because from time to time we

3083
02:16:37,719 --> 02:16:34,820
do hear reports that the US military is

3084
02:16:39,969 --> 02:16:37,729
raised to an elevated defense condition

3085
02:16:41,980 --> 02:16:39,979
is what do you do with people who are in

3086
02:16:43,959 --> 02:16:41,990
the military or elected officials who

3087
02:16:47,259 --> 02:16:43,969
lie to the people who put them there

3088
02:16:49,150 --> 02:16:47,269
well my reaction is fire them get rid of

3089
02:16:53,709 --> 02:16:49,160
them well then you'd have nobody working

3090
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:53,719
there well you know it's interesting

3091
02:16:57,610 --> 02:16:56,000
that we should be talking about the

3092
02:17:00,010 --> 02:16:57,620
government in there

3093
02:17:01,570 --> 02:17:00,020
responsibility to to the electorate I

3094
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:01,580
have a question here for one of our

3095
02:17:06,610 --> 02:17:04,130
longtime posters spooky Mulder

3096
02:17:09,129 --> 02:17:06,620
he calls himself and he's asking to be

3097
02:17:10,810 --> 02:17:09,139
an interesting question and he says if

3098
02:17:13,090 --> 02:17:10,820
you guys don't mind I'll let you format

3099
02:17:14,860 --> 02:17:13,100
this question if it's relevant but Peter

3100
02:17:16,930 --> 02:17:14,870
have you ever weighed in one way or

3101
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:16,940
another publicly on the arrangement that

3102
02:17:22,030 --> 02:17:19,130
the apparent arrangement between Robert

3103
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:22,040
Bigelow and his aerospace company UFO

3104
02:17:30,490 --> 02:17:26,210
reports going to him once their people

3105
02:17:32,980 --> 02:17:30,500
contact the FAA and they're told to call

3106
02:17:35,590 --> 02:17:32,990
Bigelow Aerospace to make the report

3107
02:17:38,980 --> 02:17:35,600
have you ever weighed in publicly on

3108
02:17:41,740 --> 02:17:38,990
that absolutely I have in fact I fought

3109
02:17:45,250 --> 02:17:41,750
the apparent decision by the FAA in June

3110
02:17:49,060 --> 02:17:45,260
of 2001 to shift their policy from

3111
02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:49,070
forwarding reports to the FAA or from

3112
02:17:53,940 --> 02:17:51,710
the FAA to the national UFO Reporting

3113
02:17:58,330 --> 02:17:53,950
Center we had enjoyed those reports for

3114
02:18:01,060 --> 02:17:58,340
probably 20 years or so and when mids

3115
02:18:04,750 --> 02:18:01,070
made that statement I think it was the

3116
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:04,760
21st of June 2000 year 2000 I guess it

3117
02:18:11,260 --> 02:18:08,810
was not 2001 we contested it and we got

3118
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,270
the it took us nine or ten months to get

3119
02:18:15,430 --> 02:18:13,760
the FAA to reverse their decision why

3120
02:18:18,940 --> 02:18:15,440
they made that decision I don't know

3121
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:18,950
what took place between mids or Bigelow

3122
02:18:24,610 --> 02:18:22,160
or Alexander and the FAA and Washington

3123
02:18:27,490 --> 02:18:24,620
DC I don't know that we were successful

3124
02:18:29,740 --> 02:18:27,500
we I made the proposal to the FAA well

3125
02:18:32,980 --> 02:18:29,750
that what they should do is simply

3126
02:18:35,650 --> 02:18:32,990
publish contact information for six or

3127
02:18:39,820 --> 02:18:35,660
eight of the major UFO investigative

3128
02:18:43,360 --> 02:18:39,830
bodies MUFON who for Koufos the national

3129
02:18:46,510 --> 02:18:43,370
UFO Reporting Center needs narc app and

3130
02:18:50,770 --> 02:18:46,520
so on just publish them in their AI M

3131
02:18:55,300 --> 02:18:50,780
the Airman's information manual and let

3132
02:18:57,640 --> 02:18:55,310
the FAA or an individual decide whom he

3133
02:19:00,240 --> 02:18:57,650
wishes wish to contact that was my

3134
02:19:04,209 --> 02:19:00,250
proposal in the final analysis the FAA

3135
02:19:06,490 --> 02:19:04,219
chose knids and National Institute for

3136
02:19:08,860 --> 02:19:06,500
discovery science the organization set

3137
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:08,870
up by Bob Bigelow headed by column

3138
02:19:13,299 --> 02:19:11,210
Kelleher and the National UFO

3139
02:19:15,850 --> 02:19:13,309
Reporting Center so those two

3140
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:15,860
organizations appear published in that

3141
02:19:23,500 --> 02:19:20,240
FAA handle hmm I don't know it it's

3142
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:23,510
always rub me the wrong way that reports

3143
02:19:27,610 --> 02:19:26,000
of this nature can disappear into the

3144
02:19:30,910 --> 02:19:27,620
black hole known as the glow arrow

3145
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:30,920
spacer or formerly known as Ned's it

3146
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:34,130
doesn't serve the public I think in the

3147
02:19:40,209 --> 02:19:36,290
short term and in the long run and I

3148
02:19:42,730 --> 02:19:40,219
think it's creating even more problems

3149
02:19:46,810 --> 02:19:42,740
around this whole issue of secrecy and

3150
02:19:48,459 --> 02:19:46,820
in transparency I to me it's not right

3151
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:48,469
and I I think that everyone should have

3152
02:19:54,550 --> 02:19:51,290
access to this type of data I think that

3153
02:19:56,830 --> 02:19:54,560
if one group is given preference over

3154
02:20:00,820 --> 02:19:56,840
others it just doesn't serve the public

3155
02:20:02,380 --> 02:20:00,830
good and you know I really admire the

3156
02:20:04,390 --> 02:20:02,390
work that you've done and I have a

3157
02:20:06,750 --> 02:20:04,400
question here from my very good new

3158
02:20:08,650 --> 02:20:06,760
father just who's up in Calgary Alberta

3159
02:20:10,750 --> 02:20:08,660
and he wants to know if you've

3160
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:10,760
considered instituting some kind of

3161
02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:12,770
rating system for the reporting center

3162
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:16,610
based on any standard of UFO reporting

3163
02:20:22,330 --> 02:20:18,890
such as valets rating system of the

3164
02:20:24,430 --> 02:20:22,340
Hynek system and for example he says in

3165
02:20:26,350 --> 02:20:24,440
hynek's system uncorroborated reports

3166
02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:26,360
were never given a probability rating

3167
02:20:31,660 --> 02:20:28,900
higher than three out of nine and he's

3168
02:20:33,460 --> 02:20:31,670
wondering what percentage of your

3169
02:20:36,040 --> 02:20:33,470
reports in the database would fall into

3170
02:20:37,870 --> 02:20:36,050
this uncorroborated category I know

3171
02:20:39,730 --> 02:20:37,880
that's a really difficult question off

3172
02:20:41,740 --> 02:20:39,740
the top of your head but give us kind of

3173
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:41,750
a ballpark yeah well I don't have a

3174
02:20:45,700 --> 02:20:43,760
rating system because I don't have a

3175
02:20:48,420 --> 02:20:45,710
staff I don't have a budget I don't have

3176
02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:48,430
a facility and I don't have the time I'm

3177
02:20:55,960 --> 02:20:51,920
working as hard as I can to handle the

3178
02:20:57,850 --> 02:20:55,970
now roughly between five hundred and a

3179
02:20:59,920 --> 02:20:57,860
thousand reports that come to our Center

3180
02:21:03,100 --> 02:20:59,930
and I'm falling behind faster and faster

3181
02:21:05,469 --> 02:21:03,110
and further and further well how do we

3182
02:21:07,900 --> 02:21:05,479
get some help if you have a budget for

3183
02:21:10,150 --> 02:21:07,910
me well you know let's get a budget and

3184
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:10,160
some help for you I think you deserve it

3185
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:11,570
if anybody out there deserves that

3186
02:21:15,550 --> 02:21:13,370
you're the guy well let me ask you a

3187
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,560
question here Peter though the difficult

3188
02:21:20,410 --> 02:21:18,080
question here if Bob Bigelow comes up

3189
02:21:24,400 --> 02:21:20,420
and says Peter here's a half a million

3190
02:21:26,110 --> 02:21:24,410
dollars but we control the release

3191
02:21:29,011 --> 02:21:26,120
were lack thereof of the information

3192
02:21:31,180 --> 02:21:29,021
yeah how would you address that I

3193
02:21:34,810 --> 02:21:31,190
mentioned earlier in this program that I

3194
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:34,820
met with Bob Bigelow and his staff on

3195
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:38,240
two occasions October 6 1995 and then

3196
02:21:43,540 --> 02:21:41,690
again the 29th of July 1999 and after

3197
02:21:46,480 --> 02:21:43,550
that second meeting that's what he

3198
02:21:49,570 --> 02:21:46,490
wanted to do he wanted an unfettered

3199
02:21:51,881 --> 02:21:49,580
access to all the data that came to the

3200
02:21:54,310 --> 02:21:51,891
national UFO Reporting Center and he

3201
02:21:58,301 --> 02:21:54,320
wanted the best cases that came in to us

3202
02:22:00,220 --> 02:21:58,311
for follow-up investigation and that was

3203
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:00,230
the sticking point is what we do with

3204
02:22:05,410 --> 02:22:03,530
the cases the good cases and he didn't

3205
02:22:07,210 --> 02:22:05,420
want them posted to our website he said

3206
02:22:08,890 --> 02:22:07,220
we're not going to release those good

3207
02:22:11,140 --> 02:22:08,900
cases we're gonna investigate them

3208
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:11,150
quietly and get to the bottom of them

3209
02:22:15,820 --> 02:22:13,490
and I said well Bob that that's not what

3210
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:15,830
I want to do and that was the beginning

3211
02:22:20,051 --> 02:22:17,840
of the parting of ways between Bob

3212
02:22:22,060 --> 02:22:20,061
Bigelow and Peter Davenport he was very

3213
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:22,070
cordial he was very friendly it was very

3214
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:24,050
considerate I find him a very

3215
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:26,570
interesting guy we I've enjoyed our

3216
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:28,250
conversations but we have different

3217
02:22:33,310 --> 02:22:31,280
philosophies with regard to what should

3218
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:33,320
be done with the data that comes to our

3219
02:22:40,420 --> 02:22:37,010
Center so he obviously doesn't think us

3220
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lowly people have a need or a right to

3221
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know any of this information and to me

3222
02:22:49,960 --> 02:22:47,540
it's it's really sad I agree and that

3223
02:22:52,091 --> 02:22:49,970
was my reaction I I feel this

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02:22:53,980 --> 02:22:52,101
information that I collect belongs to

3225
02:22:56,470 --> 02:22:53,990
the American people that's the

3226
02:22:58,990 --> 02:22:56,480
philosophy that keeps me moving forward

3227
02:23:00,430 --> 02:22:59,000
if we're being visited by UFOs and the

3228
02:23:02,530 --> 02:23:00,440
government is going to lie to the

3229
02:23:04,180 --> 02:23:02,540
American people in the press is not

3230
02:23:06,970 --> 02:23:04,190
going to cover that certainly at the

3231
02:23:09,430 --> 02:23:06,980
national level then that is all the

3232
02:23:12,100 --> 02:23:09,440
motivation I need to continue doing what

3233
02:23:14,020 --> 02:23:12,110
I'm doing to share this information with

3234
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:14,030
the American people this is crucially

3235
02:23:18,190 --> 02:23:16,730
important information and my life is

3236
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:18,200
dedicated to getting that information

3237
02:23:23,051 --> 02:23:20,690
out to the American people well we have

3238
02:23:24,761 --> 02:23:23,061
somebody in the audience who has a spare

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02:23:28,750 --> 02:23:24,771
half a million a million dollars and

3240
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:28,760
there are no conditions other than the

3241
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money be used to fund research or have

3242
02:23:34,810 --> 02:23:33,351
some time that they could devote to help

3243
02:23:37,720 --> 02:23:34,820
you peter out

3244
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:37,730
yeah well the first thing we need is a

3245
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much greater organization with staff

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02:23:47,650 --> 02:23:44,990
members and with a facility where staff

3247
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members can gather and do the work and

3248
02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:50,240
answer the telephone but until that

3249
02:23:57,850 --> 02:23:53,840
happens I'm limited to working on my own

3250
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and it's been pretty successful I think

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the national UFO Reporting Center has

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you know and that's one person with one

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telephone one computer one paper quarter

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and one very dedicated webmaster we have

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one also one segment left of our session

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parrot John Peter Davenport of the

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02:28:50,890 --> 02:28:48,770
national UFO Reporting Center joining

3361
02:28:52,990 --> 02:28:50,900
gene and Chris and the power cast Chris

3362
02:28:55,540 --> 02:28:53,000
has a little bit more input from the

3363
02:28:57,969 --> 02:28:55,550
question Bank section yeah dr. Perik

3364
02:29:00,670 --> 02:28:57,979
asked Congress I do indeed Jane this is

3365
02:29:03,370 --> 02:29:00,680
from Lenny from Maine who's been a pair

3366
02:29:06,700 --> 02:29:03,380
of cast listener since October of 2012

3367
02:29:09,700 --> 02:29:06,710
and he hasn't posted much on the forum

3368
02:29:12,340 --> 02:29:09,710
but he did post a question for you and

3369
02:29:15,130 --> 02:29:12,350
we kind of touched on this at the

3370
02:29:17,469 --> 02:29:15,140
beginning of the show Peter but Lenny

3371
02:29:19,990 --> 02:29:17,479
wants to know what your thoughts are on

3372
02:29:22,750 --> 02:29:20,000
the event that you that we've been

3373
02:29:25,210 --> 02:29:22,760
talking about the citizens hearing on

3374
02:29:27,190 --> 02:29:25,220
disclosure and you mentioned that you

3375
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:27,200
thought that this could possibly have

3376
02:29:33,219 --> 02:29:31,010
some sort of impact more so than we're

3377
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,229
seeing right now and he wants to know

3378
02:29:38,920 --> 02:29:35,120
what effect do you think that that event

3379
02:29:42,910 --> 02:29:38,930
can have in the long run and also do you

3380
02:29:45,340 --> 02:29:42,920
have any suggestions for better ways to

3381
02:29:47,590 --> 02:29:45,350
successfully get mainstream coverage of

3382
02:29:50,230 --> 02:29:47,600
events like that and still get this the

3383
02:29:52,030 --> 02:29:50,240
a and have it be serious coverage yeah

3384
02:29:55,480 --> 02:29:52,040
it's a good question I've got to close a

3385
02:29:58,450 --> 02:29:55,490
door here to silence a lawn mower

3386
02:30:01,301 --> 02:29:58,460
outside good question I in fact I think

3387
02:30:03,671 --> 02:30:01,311
the citizens hearing for

3388
02:30:06,520 --> 02:30:03,681
closures already hadn't affected the

3389
02:30:08,951 --> 02:30:06,530
night the last night of the hearings the

3390
02:30:10,511 --> 02:30:08,961
New York Times published an article for

3391
02:30:13,241 --> 02:30:10,521
the first time in its history on the

3392
02:30:15,461 --> 02:30:13,251
subject of UFOs except possibly for

3393
02:30:19,631 --> 02:30:15,471
Leslie Cain's very nice article and

3394
02:30:21,940 --> 02:30:19,641
writings in years past but that was that

3395
02:30:24,430 --> 02:30:21,950
was a breakthrough yeah the New York

3396
02:30:27,251 --> 02:30:24,440
Times so long to address the subject I

3397
02:30:29,560 --> 02:30:27,261
don't know because the Chicago Tribune

3398
02:30:34,060 --> 02:30:29,570
and the Los Angeles Times both have done

3399
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:34,070
major articles on major events there was

3400
02:30:38,110 --> 02:30:36,080
a front-page article about the national

3401
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:38,120
UFO Reporting Center on the front page

3402
02:30:44,470 --> 02:30:40,730
of the LA Times on Friday the 28th the

3403
02:30:46,751 --> 02:30:44,480
March 2008 why the New York Times has

3404
02:30:49,871 --> 02:30:46,761
been so slow to rise to this I don't

3405
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:49,881
know rise to the subject and cover it is

3406
02:30:55,031 --> 02:30:52,610
a mystery to me it was also very fair

3407
02:30:57,041 --> 02:30:55,041
and balanced article they have covered

3408
02:30:59,560 --> 02:30:57,051
it in the past but they've really slam

3409
02:31:03,131 --> 02:30:59,570
this subject and and they've given it no

3410
02:31:05,951 --> 02:31:03,141
no real credence really I mean they just

3411
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:05,961
kind of just been very off and they

3412
02:31:09,041 --> 02:31:07,610
there have been articles but this is the

3413
02:31:12,131 --> 02:31:09,051
first one that they've actually been

3414
02:31:15,911 --> 02:31:12,141
objective even-handed and even even

3415
02:31:18,581 --> 02:31:15,921
positive I I agree and that's the first

3416
02:31:21,341 --> 02:31:18,591
good effect I think also the members of

3417
02:31:22,661 --> 02:31:21,351
the committee at the citizens hearing

3418
02:31:24,041 --> 02:31:22,671
are going to write a letter to their

3419
02:31:27,091 --> 02:31:24,051
colleagues who are still in Congress

3420
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:27,101
urging them to pay attention and to

3421
02:31:32,741 --> 02:31:29,570
reveal to the American people what the

3422
02:31:35,560 --> 02:31:32,751
US government may know that I suspect

3423
02:31:37,961 --> 02:31:35,570
even members senior members of Congress

3424
02:31:41,171 --> 02:31:37,971
may not know the truth about this yeah

3425
02:31:42,961 --> 02:31:41,181
and it underscores the danger once again

3426
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:42,971
underscores the danger of a

3427
02:31:48,610 --> 02:31:45,530
military-industrial complex that is

3428
02:31:50,951 --> 02:31:48,620
insensitive to the interests and needs

3429
02:31:54,011 --> 02:31:50,961
and demands of the American people know

3430
02:31:57,610 --> 02:31:54,021
so it it launches us into the political

3431
02:32:00,810 --> 02:31:57,620
arena fairly quickly that just waking

3432
02:32:03,281 --> 02:32:00,820
people up is a first good step I think

3433
02:32:05,831 --> 02:32:03,291
yeah the thing you also have to see here

3434
02:32:07,991 --> 02:32:05,841
is that it's also possible that one way

3435
02:32:10,301 --> 02:32:08,001
to keep secret like this is to send it

3436
02:32:12,371 --> 02:32:10,311
to the military-industrial complex you

3437
02:32:14,411 --> 02:32:12,381
send it out the private industry so you

3438
02:32:15,610 --> 02:32:14,421
can say with plausible deniability we

3439
02:32:18,970 --> 02:32:15,620
don't have the in

3440
02:32:22,030 --> 02:32:18,980
it's not here yeah I think it will have

3441
02:32:25,210 --> 02:32:22,040
a positive effect and the members of the

3442
02:32:27,511 --> 02:32:25,220
committee at the hearing where some of

3443
02:32:29,860 --> 02:32:27,521
them had considerable tenure and

3444
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:29,870
seniority in Congress these are people

3445
02:32:33,850 --> 02:32:31,610
who can't be ignored even though they're

3446
02:32:36,700 --> 02:32:33,860
no longer in Congress they still have

3447
02:32:41,500 --> 02:32:36,710
colleagues there who whom they consider

3448
02:32:43,300 --> 02:32:41,510
to be friends and they may be successful

3449
02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:43,310
in convincing people who are still in

3450
02:32:50,050 --> 02:32:48,050
Congress to press the issue and I don't

3451
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:50,060
probably the use of the word threatened

3452
02:32:54,850 --> 02:32:53,120
the military is too strong yeah Congress

3453
02:32:57,070 --> 02:32:54,860
controls the purse strings they can say

3454
02:32:59,980 --> 02:32:57,080
we want to know or else we're not going

3455
02:33:01,570 --> 02:32:59,990
to fund certain programs yeah I really

3456
02:33:04,360 --> 02:33:01,580
seriously doubt that that they're going

3457
02:33:06,370 --> 02:33:04,370
to make any headway with the US Congress

3458
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:06,380
I that's my own personal feeling but I

3459
02:33:13,930 --> 02:33:10,330
think the idea that Danny Sheehan and

3460
02:33:16,990 --> 02:33:13,940
some of the volunteers that have been

3461
02:33:19,540 --> 02:33:17,000
helping out writing some sort of

3462
02:33:21,990 --> 02:33:19,550
proposal to be submitted to the General

3463
02:33:27,550 --> 02:33:22,000
Assembly of the UN get a country to

3464
02:33:30,100 --> 02:33:27,560
sponsor some sort of of you know an idea

3465
02:33:32,920 --> 02:33:30,110
for a commission a multi international

3466
02:33:34,780 --> 02:33:32,930
sort of multi discipline Commission

3467
02:33:37,570 --> 02:33:34,790
looking at the subject because quite

3468
02:33:40,090 --> 02:33:37,580
frankly I really don't see much hope for

3469
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:40,100
any changes in the US government's

3470
02:33:44,110 --> 02:33:42,890
position on this subject which you can't

3471
02:33:46,930 --> 02:33:44,120
admit to the people that you've been

3472
02:33:48,850 --> 02:33:46,940
lying for 60 years and you can't admit

3473
02:33:51,130 --> 02:33:48,860
that you're not in control of the

3474
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:51,140
situation which obviously they're not so

3475
02:33:55,420 --> 02:33:53,090
I mean that's my own personal feelings

3476
02:33:58,480 --> 02:33:55,430
but I do think the idea of some sort of

3477
02:34:01,210 --> 02:33:58,490
UN initiative would be would be a

3478
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:01,220
logical you know place to go and I and I

3479
02:34:04,990 --> 02:34:02,810
know they're working on drafting

3480
02:34:07,390 --> 02:34:05,000
language for that but in this country we

3481
02:34:09,400 --> 02:34:07,400
don't pay attention to the UN as much as

3482
02:34:10,960 --> 02:34:09,410
maybe we should the other question I'll

3483
02:34:13,150 --> 02:34:10,970
have Peter we only have about four

3484
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:13,160
minutes left for the segment so we can

3485
02:34:17,380 --> 02:34:14,330
take this to another episode

3486
02:34:20,050 --> 02:34:17,390
what about gradual disclosure as we

3487
02:34:21,820 --> 02:34:20,060
become more and more aware that life

3488
02:34:24,610 --> 02:34:21,830
exists elsewhere in the universe water

3489
02:34:27,460 --> 02:34:24,620
on Mars water on the moon finding the

3490
02:34:29,210 --> 02:34:27,470
so-called M type or Goldilocks planets

3491
02:34:31,010 --> 02:34:29,220
around other stars systems

3492
02:34:33,500 --> 02:34:31,020
that gets well accustomed to the

3493
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:33,510
possibility that's a possibility maybe

3494
02:34:37,580 --> 02:34:35,130
that's what the government is doing but

3495
02:34:39,889 --> 02:34:37,590
I take the position that that that

3496
02:34:44,139 --> 02:34:39,899
government in Washington DC works for me

3497
02:34:46,519 --> 02:34:44,149
that's they are there to accommodate my

3498
02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:46,529
interests and I don't think they should

3499
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:49,170
be meeting out this information slowly

3500
02:34:53,420 --> 02:34:50,880
I think they should they have a

3501
02:34:54,679 --> 02:34:53,430
responsibility to share with the

3502
02:34:56,929 --> 02:34:54,689
American people what they know about

3503
02:35:00,349 --> 02:34:56,939
this phenomenon that's what I think they

3504
02:35:01,510 --> 02:35:00,359
should be doing this I dream this it's

3505
02:35:03,199 --> 02:35:01,520
not going to happen

3506
02:35:07,399 --> 02:35:03,209
irrespective of whatever the

3507
02:35:09,019 --> 02:35:07,409
ramifications they may be and it's up to

3508
02:35:11,540 --> 02:35:09,029
the American people and the American

3509
02:35:13,340 --> 02:35:11,550
voters if they're dissatisfied with

3510
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,350
what's going on they should put

3511
02:35:19,460 --> 02:35:15,600
different people in Congress instead of

3512
02:35:22,849 --> 02:35:19,470
voting for the same tired old lame Liars

3513
02:35:26,179 --> 02:35:22,859
that are maybe not telling us the truth

3514
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:26,189
or they're not pressing the military and

3515
02:35:31,460 --> 02:35:29,520
the members of the administration for

3516
02:35:33,559 --> 02:35:31,470
what they know on the subject that's my

3517
02:35:36,019 --> 02:35:33,569
response it's also the feeling here that

3518
02:35:37,790 --> 02:35:36,029
a lot of people in Congress are funded

3519
02:35:40,189 --> 02:35:37,800
by corporate interests that have their

3520
02:35:41,330 --> 02:35:40,199
own concerns and that's not one of them

3521
02:35:43,460 --> 02:35:41,340
they're not working for us they're

3522
02:35:45,469 --> 02:35:43,470
working for the people who give them the

3523
02:35:49,519 --> 02:35:45,479
campaign donations so they can run for

3524
02:35:52,279 --> 02:35:49,529
re-election yep yep I agree with that

3525
02:35:53,599 --> 02:35:52,289
statement I I think the American people

3526
02:35:56,989 --> 02:35:53,609
are gonna have to wake up and start

3527
02:35:59,569 --> 02:35:56,999
pressing their elected officials more

3528
02:36:01,939 --> 02:35:59,579
aggressively for what they know on this

3529
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:01,949
subject but trying to get the American

3530
02:36:06,250 --> 02:36:03,930
people to wake up is one of the greatest

3531
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:06,260
challenges and the American scene today

3532
02:36:11,449 --> 02:36:09,359
yeah most people are they're lazy with

3533
02:36:13,250 --> 02:36:11,459
regard to politics most people walk in

3534
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:13,260
the walking around in the state of

3535
02:36:19,729 --> 02:36:16,770
waking coma yeah most Americans I think

3536
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:19,739
with regard to politics and what takes

3537
02:36:24,949 --> 02:36:22,319
place in Washington there as asleep as

3538
02:36:28,069 --> 02:36:24,959
Ichabod Crane was and they've got to

3539
02:36:29,929 --> 02:36:28,079
awaken and they've got to start pressing

3540
02:36:32,359 --> 02:36:29,939
their elected officials to tell them the

3541
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:32,369
truth on every subject yeah

3542
02:36:36,889 --> 02:36:34,770
starting with Benghazi the most recent

3543
02:36:38,359 --> 02:36:36,899
case well you know what Benghazi I have

3544
02:36:40,699 --> 02:36:38,369
opinions on I don't want to get into the

3545
02:36:43,109 --> 02:36:40,709
politics of that but I think whatever it

3546
02:36:45,119 --> 02:36:43,119
is at the very least whether your demo

3547
02:36:47,729 --> 02:36:45,129
a Republican you agree there with

3548
02:36:49,679 --> 02:36:47,739
screw-ups and instead of arguing about

3549
02:36:52,319 --> 02:36:49,689
the talking points which is an issue it

3550
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:52,329
is how do you fix the problem how do you

3551
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:55,600
make diplomats safer from attack from

3552
02:37:00,090 --> 02:36:58,479
any source and if people screw up they

3553
02:37:02,609 --> 02:37:00,100
should be fired they should have their

3554
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:02,619
hats handed to them send them out

3555
02:37:05,069 --> 02:37:03,850
goodbye I think that's the most

3556
02:37:06,179 --> 02:37:05,079
important thing to say about that

3557
02:37:08,789 --> 02:37:06,189
otherwise we get into a political

3558
02:37:10,649 --> 02:37:08,799
discussion that really isn't germane to

3559
02:37:12,599 --> 02:37:10,659
what we're dealing at here in the

3560
02:37:14,279 --> 02:37:12,609
remaining minute Peter Davenport tell

3561
02:37:16,439 --> 02:37:14,289
our listeners more about the national

3562
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:16,449
UFO Reporting Center how they can get

3563
02:37:20,099 --> 02:37:18,399
involved or at least contact you yeah

3564
02:37:22,559 --> 02:37:20,109
well I really appreciate the opportunity

3565
02:37:25,979 --> 02:37:22,569
to appear here it's been a lot of fun

3566
02:37:28,499 --> 02:37:25,989
and if there are people listeners who

3567
02:37:30,179 --> 02:37:28,509
have been witness to UFOs irrespective

3568
02:37:31,979 --> 02:37:30,189
of whether it was eight minutes ago or

3569
02:37:34,949 --> 02:37:31,989
eight decades ago I'd like them to

3570
02:37:37,109 --> 02:37:34,959
submit written reports using our online

3571
02:37:40,289 --> 02:37:37,119
report format UFO center.com

3572
02:37:42,659 --> 02:37:40,299
I asked me that out of 20,000 people

3573
02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:42,669
who've been witness to a UFO sighting or

3574
02:37:47,819 --> 02:37:45,369
what may have been a UFO only one of

3575
02:37:50,519 --> 02:37:47,829
those peoples ever reported it in a

3576
02:37:53,309 --> 02:37:50,529
meaningful that is real fashion that's

3577
02:37:55,649 --> 02:37:53,319
that's easy and if they've had recent

3578
02:37:59,129 --> 02:37:55,659
sightings I'd invite them to contact our

3579
02:38:02,550 --> 02:37:59,139
hotline at UFO Center or our hotline

3580
02:38:05,699 --> 02:38:02,560
telephone number is area code 206 seven

3581
02:38:08,849 --> 02:38:05,709
two to three thousand that's 206 seven

3582
02:38:12,329 --> 02:38:08,859
two to three thousand and submit a

3583
02:38:15,449 --> 02:38:12,339
written written report again using our

3584
02:38:17,129 --> 02:38:15,459
online report format UFO Center comm and

3585
02:38:18,749 --> 02:38:17,139
we have a link over at the power cast

3586
02:38:22,409 --> 02:38:18,759
comm which is our portal for more

3587
02:38:24,840 --> 02:38:22,419
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3588
02:38:26,939 --> 02:38:24,850
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3589
02:38:28,019 --> 02:38:26,949
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3590
02:38:30,989 --> 02:38:28,029
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3591
02:38:33,569 --> 02:38:30,999
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3592
02:38:36,090 --> 02:38:33,579
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3593
02:38:39,599 --> 02:38:36,100
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3594
02:38:41,849 --> 02:38:39,609
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3595
02:38:44,279 --> 02:38:41,859
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3596
02:38:45,860 --> 02:38:44,289
thanks for joining us on the power cast

3597
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:45,870
thank you gentlemen I've been

3598
02:38:57,189 --> 02:38:53,670
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3599
02:39:00,189 --> 02:38:57,199
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3600
02:39:03,059 --> 02:39:00,199
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02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:03,069
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